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Bill BettsIn this blog, you will read about a real-life engineering job search as experienced by our unemployed guest blogger, Bill Betts. Readers are encouraged to share their own experiences and job-hunting advice with other engineers facing career and job changes in today's high-tech industries.



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Monday, December 17, 2007

Hire Ground inaugural posting - the job hunt begins

Dec 17 2007 10:25AM | Permalink |Comments (19) |


If you are ever called to a meeting with your boss and you glance through the glass panel beside the door before entering the room and the only people you see are your boss and the HR rep, you can assume the meeting won’t be going well.

The dreaded “reorganization” had hit.

Thus began my search for a job. I believe I handled myself well. I didn’t fall shrieking to the floor. I tore no hair out (precious little to lose there). I think I behaved in a professional manner. My boss was very nervous and I saw no point in both of us having a really bad day, so I let him off the hook gently and he quickly fled the room.

After all, it wasn’t a real surprise. My previous company had been acquired and I had been the Director of Hardware Development for enterprise switches. Now I wasn’t and he was. There had been a few awkward moments where I forgot and he didn’t. I was over-qualified and was drawing a big salary. Like I said, it wasn’t a complete surprise.

The HR rep went though the exit checklist and then, refreshingly in this day and age, I was allowed the rest of the day to gather my personal things, organize a handoff to those picking up my responsibilities and to say my good-byes. These ran from less than a minute to as long as they wanted to tell me about their issues. Oddly, few wanted to talk about my situation.

I think they were embarrassed.

EDN invited me to start this blog to share my experience in hunting for my next job. The current plan is for this blog to survive my gaining employment. Someone else will be invited to take over and continue posting.

This is a long term experiment to give the out-of-work engineer/engineering manager insight into current job hunting conditions.

Please feel free to add your comments on your job hunting experiences since I imagine that my hunt won’t cover all the possible situations. The more pertinent the information that can be found here, the more helpful this blog will be to job hunting engineers.

Tip number one. Tell your kids to go into software. On any given day, there are about 50 times more software jobs than hardware jobs available in the Bay area.

Maybe hardware engineers are fifty times more productive that software engineers?

Let the flames begin.


Reader Comments



at 12/17/2007 11:49:23 AM, tessil said:
bill,
if you try anywhere in INDIA/CHINA or EU , you will get a job.



at 12/17/2007 12:28:21 PM, Jim said:
Each of those jobs has a dormatory attached, easing the commute and free lunch. Hey $40 a month.....what do you want free cable tv?



at 12/17/2007 1:06:11 PM, Garry said:
It’s the same in UK. Since the manufacturing went east the production support followed and now the design is going. The amazing thing is that the industry has been and gone in a generation – there will not be people able to say I was an Electronics Engineer and my grandfather …...



at 12/17/2007 1:22:49 PM, AK said:
I usualy treat it as a vacation. It takes about 3 month to get a new job. You might as well enjoy this time.



at 12/17/2007 1:58:21 PM, engineer veteran said:
Technical careers are endangered species as more and more kids select some other majors different than engineering or CS. Those jobs can be found in India or China these days. In the US some jobs still exist but under the short-term contracts in the order of a few months. Even so, I see lots of engineers compete for those contract jobs.



at 12/17/2007 2:58:16 PM, bert said:
Bill my advice is start your own business,be an enterpreneur . Enjoy life. At your age, you should now be enjoying the fruits of your labor.



at 12/17/2007 3:31:05 PM, Bill Betts - the head guy said:
Okay. To paraphrase the professor in regards to outsourcing, the state of the schools, etc. "That falls outside the scope if this calls". That's a black hole of a discussion.

In regards to Bert's comment, thanks, but read my profile. I chose some expensive hobbies. And I believe that if I asked you all to send me $5 in a plain envelope so that I had some fruits of my labors, the kind folks at EDN would raise an eyebrow or three.

So in this perfidious world of outsourcing (hey, HW was outsourced to SW long before you ever heard of India), what do I(we) do to land that next job?

And since I'm shamelessly ripping off from others, "there ain't no cryin' in engineering". We are the people that fix problems, not whine about them.



at 12/17/2007 6:12:51 PM, beenthere said:
Bill, I think the key question is whether you want to continue your same path or start to alter course. Those that decide to alter course probably are more skilled than they think...various attributes of your previous work that apply to nearly any position. Start a list. Ask someone that worked with you regarding strengths. Add to the list. Use the list to write the resume that will help sell you on the altered course.

Good luck...



at 12/17/2007 7:02:30 PM, cengrs said:
Bill, your years of solid hardware and management experiences are still in demand in certain industry areas here in the Silicon Valley. If you haven''t had your PMP (Project Manager Professional) certification yet, perhaps now is the time to get it as there are Program/Project Management jobs that require this certification and of course an MBA degree may help as well! Good luck and best wishes!



at 12/18/2007 3:23:05 AM, tigertom said:
Is it me or is it the link? When I try to add this blog to my "My Yahoo" page, it adds "Brian''s Brain" instead of "Hire Ground".



at 12/18/2007 8:20:48 AM, Ex-engineer said:
Bill, The best first step is to contact everyone and anyone you know in your rolodex/outlook file. Let them know you are looking for your next opportunity.
I was in the same situation and found that my personal/professional contacts were my best resource.



at 12/18/2007 8:21:13 AM, Ex-engineer said:
Bill, The best first step is to contact everyone and anyone you know in your rolodex/outlook file. Let them know you are looking for your next opportunity.
I was in the same situation and found that my personal/professional contacts were my best resource.



at 12/18/2007 9:42:56 AM, Garry said:
Our industry is fast moving. I think that you have to keep changing what you are doing every 3 years or so. Guess its taking a trick out of the sales people book and ride the technology waves. I would agree with the points about your strenghts and add that we are always learning new skills with our jobs. It takes a while to find a new job use the time well its a great oppertunity to think what you want to do next or in the future. I am out of work at the momement and last time I was out of work it took 9 months to find a new job. I used the time to develope my knoweldge and skill set, I think if you give yourself some off Vacation and do a lot of the stuff that you have been putting off while working, for a few weeks and then get back and approch the finding a new job like work itself then it comes together.



at 12/18/2007 7:12:01 PM, HdwrGuy said:
I can empathize with your all-too-common tale. Been there, done that. The bloom is really off the rose in this Dilbertean
profession,- at least in the U.S. Nevertheless, you never know what doors may open so don’t get discouraged. I think it would be useful to us potential advisors if you could tell us if you are open to relocation and how many years you might have until retirement. If you are 40 and want to work until 65 then maybe an MBA could pay off, if business is your goal. On the other hand, if you are planning on hanging up your calculator in three years, then maybe the best move is to swallow your pride and become an “individual contributor” again, probably at less pay than you have been making recently. Mobility may be the single most important asset for an engineer these days. There are, by the way, a lot of government related projects starting up in the Wash D.C. area. In the mean time, taking a short course or two in some technical area of interest may sharpen your axe, and keep you stimulated (and networking with other EE’s) and improve your chances. During the tech wreck, I filled some “down time” with some terrific short courses from Besser Assoc out in the Valley and found the experience to be of great personal benefit. There are others out there. Naturally, it’s hard to specifically advise you without knowing your age, life and career goals, family status, financial status, health, passions, etc. --More than you probably want to share in a forum of this type. Anyway, I hope they didn’t get your red Swingline stapler. Good luck!




at 12/18/2007 9:04:42 PM, Bob said:
I keep hearing how the US is short on engineers and the kids are poorly prepared for science and engineering. True or False?

I would contact a couple board manufacturers/assembly houses and find leads for companies looking for engineers to do contract design. Advertise in google adwords. Most american companies do not want to give away their designs by having them done overseas. They are guaranteed to be stolen. You would probably go for $80/hr for pure design. $60 for the cad work (that is what I would pay for an experienced contractor that can get the job done). Turnkey design from concept to gerber plot on a small double sided board with simple basic chips should get 5k pretty easy.



at 12/19/2007 1:53:59 PM, DV said:
Unless we work for large companies, where the chance of down-sizing is less than at small and midsize companies, we have to often face with lay-offs due to financial situations at work. So being a technical worker whether at management levels or just pure individual contributors we need to be flexible to adapt to the fast changing conditions of the industry. In fact some recruiters asked me to change my management titles in previous jobs to "staff engineers, architects", etc to make myself better fit to many openings. For me, as long as the pay is about the same, I would not worry much about job titles. But I have to admit that the job market is tougher lately than it was about a year or so ago. Best of luck to all of us.



at 12/20/2007 4:10:29 PM, Joe said:
Don't forget to file for unemployment. Keep cost records for looking for new jobs. Tax deduction purposes and such. Even though they may have you sign a paper saying you won't file for unemployment, you may still be able to sign up for it. It's state dependent. Make sure the if you get severance a letter that describes the severance states the terms. Also, if more than 50 people get laid off from your company...they have to W.A.R.N. you 60 days ahead of time.



at 1/2/2008 6:00:19 PM, MVT said:
You sound like a smart guy. Start up your own consultancy helping middle America companies outsource hardware to the Far east. There are tons of companies yet that need a China/Fat east strategy and you probably are very well qualified to help them. Keep the faith! I'm sure you can do anything you set your mind to!



at 5/27/2008 3:09:02 PM, Samuel Barnes said:
Have tried ZanderMax Technologies? It is a recruiting firm that specializes in certain technologies in the same space you where in. In fact, the number of Silicon Valley recruiters has grown tremendously and for those that are contingency based: they don't get paid until you find a new job! Sounds like a win-win huh? Well it is. It is almost like having an agent, chearleader, and professional career advisor all in one. Try to find three recruiters that you feel are competent enought to represent you with a company and get your resume into thier hands!

Hope this helps.

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