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Bill BettsIn this blog, you will read about a real-life engineering job search as experienced by our unemployed guest blogger, Bill Betts. Readers are encouraged to share their own experiences and job-hunting advice with other engineers facing career and job changes in today's high-tech industries.



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Monday, January 28, 2008

Career Fairs and Outplacement Companies

Jan 28 2008 7:57AM | Permalink |Comments (5) |


A slight detour through job fairs and outplacement companies before we get to networking.

I attended a job fair that was getting a lot of coverage and hype in the local paper, the San Jose Mercury News. It was held at the Santa Clara Convention Center. All of which made me think that there would be a lot of companies there.

I was surprised and disappointed that there were only about 20 companies of which only half were high tech. And this is in Silicon Valley.

Of the 10 high tech companies.......

Two were government contractor type of companies both of which were looking for people with Top Secret clearances. One was accepting resumes for a program management position even if you didn’t have a clearance. The other wouldn’t accept resumes for the same position unless you held an active Top Secret clearance.

How very governmental. And people want to put the bureaucrats in charge of health care. Ah well. No politics in this blog.

And these two were also the only ones advertising jobs that I was interested in.

Two of the booths in the high tech area were for associations. One for Chinese engineers and one for Hispanic engineers. No hope for me there.

There was one other booth that I stopped by. It appeared to be a recruiting company. They were happy to see me and promised to contact me within the next two days, which they did.

It was what is called a retail outplacement firm.

I was invited to a meeting three days after the job fair. Impressive. They’re moving quickly. Since my job search isn’t moving, it was refreshing to have something happening. It looked promising.

It was an odd meeting. They interviewed me to see if I was a suitable client for them. They answered few questions, saying that I had to go through an initial screening. If I made the cut, there would be a second meeting where all would be revealed.

The questions asked were good and to the point. They seemed to be very organized. All in all, an impressive display of efficient professionalism.

As the interview drew to an end, I was assured that I would make the cut and then an appointment was made for the second interview.

That’s when it began to feel like a time share pitch. I had to bring my spouse to the second meeting. Couldn’t have it any other way. They wanted to make sure that she was on-board. Horror stories of job offers rejected because the spouse wasn’t in agreement with were offered.

Further research with my cousin who has a career coaching business revealed that most retail outplacement companies offer to get you contacts, but rarely produce them. And they charge $2000-$3000 for their services.

One of the things about my initial interview with them was a refusal to discuss any of the mundane business aspects of what they were offering. In other words I walked out with no idea of what they would charge me, exactly what they would do for me and what guarantees I would have on their performance.

Now the people I talked to may be completely legitimate, But I don’t know.

I canceled the follow up interview.

PS. For those smart enough never to have signed up or accepted a time share pitch, I’ll explain. Typically the whole process starts with something like a nice high end car sitting in the local mall with a drawing to win it. You fill out a card and drop it in the box. Days later, you get a call asking if you indeed signed up for the drawing on the car. You are told that unfortunately you didn’t win, but you’re invited to a presentation about time share vacation homes around the world. Lots of times they offer a great prize that is guaranteed. You are locked in a room and pitched to buy into a time share vacation home (one bedroom apartment) for what seems an eternity (but it’s really only 1-2 hours). Then you find out that your promise prize of a multi-person white water raft is really a large ring of plastic about the size of a truck inner tube worth about $5.


Reader Comments



at 1/28/2008 1:49:22 PM, Same story said:
The problem is simple. Companies are run by exhorbitantly paid "managers". This leaves little money to pay for quality engineers. But this is OK as they consider us to be commodities. One engineer is the same as the other. Why pay more for a PhD from MIT or Technion when you can get a DeVry or ITT graduate. And then they wonder why nothing works.

And then when you go looking for a job, you inevitably run in the HR, that is right, Human Roadblock Dept. These are all frustrated liberal arts graduates who have become crazed by the machiavelli principle. And if you are not an exact square peg to fit that square hole, then forget it, they will do their job and filter you out. In fact, if they did their jobs effectively, then headhunters could not make a living.

So finding a job for an engineer is not easy. when I find young students who are talking about getting an engineering degree, I ask them if they are planning on going to work in India, because there will certainly be no jobs here.

And these retail outplacement firms. Did you look for their satchel that they carry, that is made from carpet? That is right, they are carpetbaggers, preying upon the unemployed and defenseless.

And notice so many of the engineering jobs that are posted do not even tell you which city, let alone which state that they are in. That is because they do not respect us or our right to have a life. We are but commodities.



at 1/29/2008 8:02:14 AM, Frank said:
Doctor, lawyer, veterinarian, pharmacist, MBA... anything but engineer or scientist! That's what I'm advising students I mentor nowadays. My best wishes and hopes for you, Mr. Betts.




at 2/18/2008 6:16:08 PM, landosand-man said:
I have collected 5 of those timeshare inner tubes. If ONLY I had a use for them! Job fairs are like the runway at a fashion show. Your strut your stuff but few are buying.
“What’s in it for me?” should be the first answer you get. ANY elusive or evasive answers dictate your next move…away!
Job fairs are fishing ponds filled with hope. Every once in a while some catches a keeper!




at 2/29/2008 1:20:44 PM, Garry said:
The Good thing about the UK is that The Job Agents are not allowed to charge the Employees.
Every-one here is blaming the sub-prime for no up turn after stopping recruiting after Christmas. Although it’s a bit of a distant effect. I think the problem of far east manufacture is hitting home, most companies are just buying in product ready to go, and with the low costs of products, and the ease of access to the products – orders can be placed my email and product shipped on a plain 24-7. There is no need to even assemble products locally



at 3/25/2008 7:00:37 PM, Gonzo said:
Did this blog get canned?

Nothing new after jan 28?

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