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Tuesday, July 17, 2007

No badmouthing NiMH while we wait for a lithium-ion EV battery-pack

Jul 17 2007 2:43PM | Permalink | Email this | Comments (7) |
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I recently wrote an article on lithium ion batteries for electric vehicles (EVs) that was very pro-lithium ion. Basically, lithium ion batteries charge fast and have lots of energy-storage capacity. True, there is the little matter of their tendency to catch fire, but auto makers seems to be sure that the Li+ vendors will shortly (ie, within 5 years) come up with a better version. All in all, I thought it was a very pro-EV article.

However, the article irritated readers who love their existing EVs such as the 2002 RAV4-EV which uses NiMH batteries and has a 100+-mile range on existing – actually 10-year-old – battery technology. These readers don’t accept the premise that all that’s holding back EVs is the battery technology: They’re perfectly happy with their NIMH-powered cars.

I agree, the RAV4-EV sounds like a great car, but unfortunately Toyota stopped making it in 2003. (Sticker price was apparently about $42,000.) As recently as last April Toyota was talking about offering a lithium ion battery in the Prius, but a month later said they were postponing the battery’s introduction due to safety concerns, and for the foreseeable future a NiMH pack is what you’ll get with your Prius.

[There’s an interesting aside in the Toyota article referenced above: The Question (no doubt sparked by Tesla’s recent publicity for its battery pack based on off-the-shelf Li-ion cells) is: “Would arrays of off-the-shelf consumer-type Li-ion batteries work for [hybrids]?” The answer included the fact that early non-US versions of the Prius had battery packs based on D-sized flashlight-batteries, which were later optimized for the present Prius battery pack.]


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at 7/24/2007 4:06:20 PM, Austin-Longhorn said:
Li-Ion is going to be old and left for only small applications by the end of 2007. Valence Technologies has LI-Phosphorous technology, available right now. It blows away the Li-ion dangerous issues like thermal runaway, with batteries that can utilize certain standard 12 volt (lead-acid) chargers. This is miles and miles ahead of the li-ion pack. These batteries are so stable that use of ultra capacitors for regen-braking in vehicles may also not be necessary. Way big savings in capitol costs for EV's.

at 7/26/2007 1:47:02 PM, Tmacarth said:
Valence Technologies batteries look interesting, to bad they only rate them to -10C for operating temperature range. You must remember not all of us live in California.

at 7/31/2007 4:43:57 PM, RobertD said:
I say Fuel cells are the way to go. Hello Hydrogen and Oxygen! OK, OK, so this is future technology; still it is the way to go.

at 7/31/2007 5:36:11 PM, Rick said:
The lithium-iron-phosphate cells from A123 are also great. They work down to -30C too.

at 8/1/2007 11:31:49 AM, RobertD said:
The catch about automotive temperatures is the wide range. Really, automotive folks would like to see something way beyond -40C to 125C, although they are accepting that range now.

at 8/8/2007 9:59:55 PM, Ed B said:
A123 may rate operating temp down to -30C, but the curve is not on the M1 Datasheet ... Is reasonable at -20C though.

at 10/13/2008 12:30:40 AM, NGV Owner said:
Li-Phosphorous huh? Anybody have an egg timer? That's what you'll need to measure how long it is before Chevron buys the patents to that, like they did with NiMH (locked up till 2014). Even with non-platinum catalyst fuel cell research, the trick isn't finding the answer, it's keeping it out of a vault long enough to get it to market! The good thing about NGVs is that "Big Oil" and "Big Auto" can't kill it!

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