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Thursday, October 15, 2009

Redox battery for EVs is recharged in minutes through electrolyte exchange

Oct 15 2009 4:37PM | Permalink |Comments (15) |


In general, batteries are good at storing energy and not so good at charging or discharging rapidly. Supercaps, on the other hand, are excellent at fast charging/discharging, but not so good at storing energy over a period of days or months. Ideally, for energy storage and delivery for the next generation of electric vehicles, you need both characteristics. After all, it takes just 5 minutes to gas (or diesel) up a conventional car. The 4 – 10 hours it takes to re-charge today’s batteries is a sticking point for EVs of the future.

Frounhofer prototype EV w/redox batteryThe redox battery (which is shorthand for reduction-oxidation flow battery) offers a novel solution to the problem of charging times: Replace the discharged electrolyte with a fully-charged electrolyte much as you’d fill up an empty tank with more gasoline. Here’s the Wikipeida description:

“A flow battery is a form of rechargeable battery in which electrolyte containing one or more dissolved electroactive species flows through an electrochemical cell that converts chemical energy directly to electricity… Flow batteries can be rapidly "recharged" by replacing the electrolyte liquid (in a similar way to refilling fuel tanks for internal combustion engines) while simultaneously recovering the spent material for re-energization.”

The problem with redox batteries is that they can’t store as much energy as, say, a lithium ion battery –only a quarter as much. However, researchers at the Fraunhofer Institute for Chemical Technology ICT have refined the process for a redox cell that allows a four-to five-fold increase in energy storage, making it on par with lithium ion batteries. (No details so far on the exact refinements.)

The German government is aiming for one million electric cars being sold in Germany by the year 2020.


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Reader Comments



at 10/16/2009 3:12:23 PM, cb said:
Let's hope our government does not blindly mandate the technology for energy storage to say lithium batteries. Let technology and the market make the selection. Nice solution to the charging time problem. Still need a 10x improvement in storage capacity....



at 10/20/2009 1:10:35 PM, Jeff Martin said:
What does the picture of the RC car have to do with anything?



at 10/20/2009 1:59:03 PM, ajh said:
Gasoline evaporates nicely, get some H2SO4 or KOH on you and see what that does. OSHA will have a cow with this stuff.



at 10/20/2009 2:38:09 PM, to cb said:
Typical anti-government statement. Get a grip. If the technology works, it will be adopted by the market and might even be subsidized by our tax dollars. Quick... name 5 government mandated technologies that have caused the destruction of the US economy? Okay, name 1.



at 10/20/2009 3:53:52 PM, KyferEz said:
Have you heard of Tesla Motors? Their 2nd generation EV, the Model S, scheduled for release in 2011? It has a 5-minute battery-swap, and has a 45-minute quick-charge option!



at 10/20/2009 6:18:03 PM, DDA said:
I suppose they will have to do a study of how many refill cycles the new battery is capable of before it quits. That will be the true test of viability.



at 10/20/2009 6:56:19 PM, Veritas said:
Thank you, to cb, for missing the point entirely. cb was spot on in expressing his concern well-intentioned but misguided government mandates. Said mandates stifle and delay development of superior technologies, and there is no rational cause for rushing ineffective solutions as replacements for the combustion engine. Let the market decide.



at 10/20/2009 9:58:18 PM, Gov tech failure said:
Here they are

Corn based alt fuels
Helium reserve
Shale oil
Fusion energy research
NASA for the last 40 years


shall I go on ?



at 10/21/2009 5:07:35 AM, E_Carfield said:
Heard ~ same news from an Israel source few years ago then ... nothing until today. This liquid battery concept is attractive but seems to evaporate into vapor(ware)then condensate back from year to year.

It appears that lithium titanate and carbon coated metallic salts are more crisp technologies. For example, an IREQ team (Canada) has done successful multiple deep cycling of 2kWhr battery in seconds without degradation.

E_Carfield



at 10/21/2009 9:07:22 AM, OuttaGas said:
I wonder how long the plates last under continued discharge? What are the plates made of, and what is the cost of refurbishment of the cells?



at 10/21/2009 7:18:58 PM, William Ketel said:
IT does sound like an interesting technology, and it also sounds like one that will freak-out those who gave us the ROHS mandate. The problem is that quite likely some of the elements in the REDOX battery are indeed a bit hazardous. And too many of our politicians are chronicly paralyzed by fear of anything that might possibly, in theory, be the slightest bit dangerous. That sticks one more barrier in the path. BUT it does sound like it is worth investigating.

And the RC car has a REDOX battery installed, that is what it has to do with it.



at 10/23/2009 12:25:23 PM, VanadiumJoe said:
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at 10/29/2009 12:35:02 PM, dick_freebird said:
The simplest "redox flow battery" is the fuel cell,
and you get half the reactant for free (air). If you
are going to deliver electrolyte countrywide, you might as well just cut to the chase and push hydrogen (or CNG, or methanol, or whatever you can crack in the cell) and not try to transport the oxidizer, at high cost, when it's all around us. Only submarines spacecraft need to be dragging around their own air.



at 10/29/2009 8:51:01 PM, bloggersarejunksources said:
CP, the 'market' gave us PC's instead of MAC's, McDonalds instead of healthy food, and smoggy muscle cars or SUV's instead of CAFE improving Hybrids.
Face it, the Market SUCKS as an intelligent selection mechanism.
The Market will not, indeed, CAN not select for long term social gains.
That is why the Market gave us monopolies and planned obsolescence.



at 11/1/2009 7:16:11 PM, Who Knew said:
To dick_freebird:
The replacement electrolyte need not be transported, other than in the vehicle in which it's being used. In the vehicle's battery, the electrolyte is depleted. At the exchange station, when the depleted electrolyte is recovered, it could be fed to a stationary battery set of some sort, and charging that battery will revitalize the electrolyte. Think of it as a variation on the battery exchange method. It still seems problematic to me. Flow batteries are best kept to stationary uses.

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