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Monday, February 2, 2009

India's $20 laptop plan challenges our thinking about system design

Feb 2 2009 10:25PM | Permalink |Comments (65) |


According to the Financial Times this morning, India is planning a $20 laptop computer as a way of making distance learning accessible to that country's enormous rural population. Coming after MIT and Intel pretty much fought each other to a standstill trying to create a machine for six or eight times that amount, the plan is a wake-up call to anyone in the US who is thinking about serving developing-world markets.

There were no details available in the story about just how the Indian designers intended to hit that price point. But apparently it's not vaporware. The story claims that a prototype will be available on display at an education conference tomorrow. There appears to be no commercial backer to build the design in quantity yet, however.

None the less, and even if the project ultimately proves too ambitious, there is an important message here. When we are addressing the developing-world market, we cannot afford to make the assumptions that we in the US don't even recognize as assumptions any more.

Such as? For instance, take the assumption that a computer necessarily implies an Intel/Microsoft computer, or even an x86-based CPU. Clearly, if you consider the tasks necessary for e-mail, facebook, google, or distance learning, nothing from the Intel or Microsoft camps can be even remotely justified. A sufficient CPU costs pennies, lodged in the corner of an SoC that costs a few dollars. A sufficient amount of memory costs a few dollars more. Take out the mediocre mechanical keyboard and the pointless mouse, replaced by a cheap membrane keyboard, and the bulk of the bill-of-materials cost of a really lean netbook design will go into the display and power supply.

But all these costly components are things we assume must be in a notebook PC, and therefore in a netbook as well. When we do so we are wrong. The message here is not that Intel and Microsoft are soaking the industrial economies for a fortune in unnecessary costs (although that might be an interesting discussion. Please feel free with your comments.) The point is that when we approach a developing-world market, we must reason from first principles. And those principles are based on the actual user's needs, not on how we would do it in Silicon Valley or Cambridge.

This is the fun part, really. It is a rare privilege to think this far outside the boundaries of the proverbial box. And it is exciting what we can do when nothing is assumed except our ability to understand the user's needs. Engineers here have shown brilliance at this skill in the past, and in our current economic situation we have the opportunity to show that brilliance again.


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at 2/3/2009 1:39:15 PM, Ben Thomas said:
We should immediately grant Immigration Visa to these Indians to work in US.



at 2/4/2009 1:49:34 PM, www.lumberkings.biz said:
Don't count the $20.00 Computer out. Think about the IPOD from Apple.
All you need to do, is add memory to a mobile phone, enlarge the keyboard, add features such as wireless connection to a printer, etc, and for under $50.00 you have a Personal Computer, phone, Ipod type device etc.

The makers of Cell phones can produce a true PC, if they want too.
Joe Simiriglio Jr
Frontier Custom Assemblies
www.lumberkings.biz
frontier22@aol.com to contact me.



at 2/4/2009 1:52:51 PM, AmericanGladiator said:
The SakShat laptop is going to go down as one of the most overhyped and (massively) underdelivering technology stories of 2009.




at 2/4/2009 1:57:46 PM, WT said:
There is a big difference between a PC and a usable-PC. Hardware wise, it is possible to make $20 or $50 PC. The fact that there is no money to be made means no one will make it. Cellphone is a different story since the cost of the hardware is subsized by service contract, etc. At $20, the cost of testing the unit will be much more than the cost of the hardware. Most people will not work for free.



at 2/4/2009 2:00:48 PM, bill zebuhr said:
Getting rid of the microsoft /intel complexities will free people to work on the problem not, waste time and brain power remembering and working with unnecessary features that are just there to justify price. This will give them one more competitive edge if we are not careful.



at 2/4/2009 2:00:48 PM, bill zebuhr said:
Getting rid of the microsoft /intel complexities will free people to work on the problem not, waste time and brain power remembering and working with unnecessary features that are just there to justify price. This will give them one more competitive edge if we are not careful.



at 2/4/2009 2:04:45 PM, greyofbeard said:
I agree x86 is not likely the right choice. Didn''t nVidia choose MIPs for their microcontroller offering? And many people use ARM.
I am most curions about the display. TFT''s have dropped in price, but a 3.5" TFT would still take most of your budget! Have they got a better video option???



at 2/4/2009 2:11:04 PM, WISHFUL THINKING said:
First - It's great to consider possibilities. I frequently consider the possibility that someday I might secure a date with Angelina Jolie.

It is only one opinion, but I suspect that a useable $20 laptop, while to many, might be considered at least as desirable, is just about as unlikely in the near-term.

BTW - the generalizations that engineers need to envision non-Intel / non-Microsoft based machines are poor attempts at demonstrating our limited scope of imagination. Actual product in the market suggests that these pardigms were slayed long ago - before your $20 laptop was even a dream in your minds-eye.



at 2/4/2009 2:12:01 PM, Randy said:
This truly reminds me of how corporate thinks. Unless a ton of money is involved, they are not interested. Just look at how the American auto makers ignored the plug-in electric vehicle? Unless they could sell hundreds of thousands of them they were not going to even make any. Honda and Toyota took the lead and made hybrid cars and became the first to market in those products. Who is number one now!
The days of corporate simply saying they will buy technology instead of working to produce it are going away fast. It is about offering products, not only about Stock value!



at 2/4/2009 2:14:12 PM, Tracy McSheery said:
The $20 Laptop is likely the same device as the $20 cell phone. In reality it is much more expensive, but as a subscription, you don''t see the true cost up front. You can argue that PC is the same way already. The real question is why can''t we just put the content on a phone with a good screen. I don''t think that there is a magic device that is going to have more performance at less price than a phone which already sells in millions of unit quantities at rock bottom manufacturing costs.



at 2/4/2009 2:20:59 PM, DonG said:
$20 computers are not a big stretch in 2009. We were building Commodore 64’s for $35. 25 years ago... When you get rid of WinTel low cost net based computers should be easy to do in volume. It is not clear who would make any money at that but it is a wake up call for low end computers not designed by the current “experts”.



at 2/4/2009 2:22:47 PM, Malkiat Sing said:
We must not forget that Indian company has recently showed off their dream car worth of $2000.00 cost, and it can accomodate 4 passenger including driver.

It surely looks tough, but not impossible.



at 2/4/2009 2:22:52 PM, Dale M said:
It has already been reported that this so called laptop is a farce. Just type "India Laptop News" in any search engine and you will find updates on this topic. Check this link: blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/02/indias-10-lapto.html



at 2/4/2009 2:29:45 PM, Cryptoman said:

Indian colleagues seem to have brought a good engineering problem to the global agenda: creating something basic and of low cost by using high tech. This will be like reinventing the way we look computing from completely cost perspective. We will now need to start thinking of using very basic building blocks of a computer excluding the conventional parts. It will be very interesting to see where this all leads. If it is successful, low unit price will be more than compensated by the shear volumes sold in developing countries. So there is a lot of money to be made by those who adopt the correct strategy.




at 2/4/2009 2:31:16 PM, NRJYZD1 said:
I wonder what kind of distance learning you can do on a devise that does not run the standard compliment of business software or even a light version of it. Ye sthe hardware cost is low, but can you really do anything with it in an educational fashion that will allow for true learning to bring these people to the internet age. I wonder..............................................................



at 2/4/2009 2:31:21 PM, Stiggle said:
Most of the cost is going to be the display, storage, and battery (power source).
--But I don't believe they can make it without slave labor, recycled plastic, and free or ripped-off operating system and applications. What about connectivity or getting data in and out? Perhaps it needs a USB port and the user must purchase the mass storage (extra cost.)



at 2/4/2009 2:32:24 PM, Obvious2Me said:
I wonder if cheap labor has anything to do with it?



at 2/4/2009 2:32:50 PM, bender said:
It's irrelevant since every USB thumb drive contains a ARM cpu and the USB storage function is consumming less than 10% of that computing power. Attached a virtual keyboard and LED micro projector to that USB and you have a computer which will satisfy 99.99% computing needed of the underdeveloped world.



at 2/4/2009 2:35:33 PM, TRAKMAN said:
Let's all just wait one more day and see...



at 2/4/2009 2:48:23 PM, Mike C said:
The 20 Buck Lap top is not a dream any more than the 2500 car which TATA is on line to build. I the case of the car a lot of questions had to be asked concerning what is the mrequirement , and what came out is remakably similar to the original VW BUG. A well desgned simple, rugged car, not a usless toy but a real car. Again the need of the user must be focused upon to determine the real desing.
Note autos use a lot of computing power, none of the systems are wintel based.

May the best plan win



at 2/4/2009 3:03:02 PM, The ROK said:
Since the cheap laptop article started talking about augmenting learning in underdeveloped countries as the objective, this potential $20 unit could very well be a give away as part of the service costs of providing the communication package that will light up the knowledge content.



at 2/4/2009 3:19:43 PM, A non 3rd world customer said:
I (a "sophisticated" customer in the West) don't need the bloatware I find on my computer. If that enables a cheap processor, great. I don't really want to deal with a membrane keyboard, so I'll pay the extra for the "mediocre" mechanical one. So can I get it for $40 ?



at 2/4/2009 3:20:37 PM, Ken Valeri said:
Everyone who uses a computer, I have now for nearly 40 years, knows it's all about "what you can do with it" not how much it costs!



at 2/4/2009 3:33:40 PM, 10 dollar goal said:
I thought their final goal is $10. The current status is $20.



at 2/4/2009 3:39:59 PM, Just DanD said:
When I was younger, I wrote a marketing paper. In my paper, any company could subsidize a laptop that would play 2 minutes of advertising every time it was turned on and after every hour of use. The laptop would update itself once a month after being connected to the internet. But since I was using $150.00 dollar laptops, I had to increase the advertising frequency and add more companies to work out the plan. Regardless, I was told that I was an idiot. I wonder now, if my professor would think the same, had I been able to use a $20 laptop in my imaginary marketing scheme. Thankfully, I will never know.



at 2/4/2009 3:44:03 PM, Larry M said:
Do you remember the Sinclair ZX-80 computer and its Timex counterpart. These days you really could build and sell that unit for $20. There are remote controls selling for that price today with greater functionality.



at 2/4/2009 4:08:47 PM, Rufus said:
This might just work in the West if it is part of a profitable contract with a Internet Provider.



at 2/4/2009 5:06:22 PM, rameng said:
Putting aside political rhetoric, consider one possible technical approach. Assume an SOC with some processor in the corner as stated with on-chip cache and off-chip interface to a single SDRAM chip for code execution RAM. This SOC includes USB, UART, VGA or QVGA Display Controller and display memory, keyboard scanner, switchmode power supply controller and other regulators. External FETs for DC-DC. Ext RS232 IC. Use Surplus CRT Monitor or TV via RF Modulator & membrane kbd. No battery since laptop does not necessarily mean portable.
SOC is $2 to $4, total BOM less than $15. Ext AC to DC power unit less than $3. Public domain C Code & open OS Linux. Less than $20 total.
It is possible.



at 2/4/2009 5:26:23 PM, True Believer said:
Oh thy naysayers - Remember what Alexander (may be great to you all in the west but really a cruel invader to us Indians) said to his General - what a paradoxical country it is!

So, do not count us out. It may not be attractive to people used to making lot of money of any product in US. But the government in India plays a big role and if it decides to produce and dole out at marginal profit, to make e-government work, it will do so and save the country billions of US$.

Jai Ho.



at 2/4/2009 5:38:12 PM, BobF said:
I think the comparison between the Intel/Microsft type of product and the Indian suggestion may not be relevant. I base this comment on the Intel/Microsoft products being built to provide all things to all people. If you (or rather, Intel/Microsft) were to base their design criteria on an email/websurfer with basic app software as opposed to the capability of doing everything from email/websurfing to gaming and high end business apps then I beleive the prices for the current manufacturers may be substantially reduced.
If current manufacturers were to take this direction, then it may also mean an increase in high end product prices due to reduced quantities being manufactured.



at 2/4/2009 5:52:50 PM, Jocking said:
Nano Car for $2500..Doomed World Auto Industry.

Laptop for $20 ...Doomed High tech.

India''s Cell phone rates cheapest in the world...Doomed Big Phone Companies.

Know for sure that they donot eat Beef ...Most secured Industry for future Jobs /Profit & Growth .that''s why Macdonald stock is rising !!!

Hope $20 computer is a Toy one.



at 2/4/2009 8:09:13 PM, zameen said:
just read this news -

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/10_laptop_turns_out_be_a_joke/articleshow/4078115.cms



at 2/4/2009 10:14:21 PM, David Schwalje said:
I'm still waiting to get the cheap Motorola "disposable" phone they sell to developing nation consumers. All it does is make phone calls, and that's all I want, with the battery lasting much much longer. Disposable laptop computers, yes that is a good idea too. Some hype, some workable ideas, some significant reduction in pricing for something that serves a function. Eventually a real product.



at 2/4/2009 10:52:25 PM, Tux-man said:
It is a great and bold step taken by Indians,they should go ahead and show the world that anything is possible.



at 2/4/2009 10:58:10 PM, J_Pat_H said:
If you design a PC to have the same basic features as the original Compaq Computer 386 (for instance), but in today''s technology, it could easily be done in India for $20 (with the main chip produced in Taiwan).The problem today is that the software is so bloated that it requires too much memory. And the OS is always being updated. If you limit the programs to the size they were in say 1990, then just design an SoC containing 386 type CPU, OS in ROM, up to 16 Meg of SRAM, Video interface, and multiple USB ports. Low cost USB Keyboard and Flash Memory stick for storage, along with low cost display would complete the computer.
Back in the `80s software companies spent more effort in reducing the size of their s/w because they had to. In India s/w skills are abundant, so they could establish the limit to the size of programs.
And the original Home Computers had OS in ROM. A computer can be more secure and validated with the OS in ROM.



at 2/4/2009 11:48:44 PM, greg said:
It is interesting that a move like this could be a 'starter laptop' for basic needs, then as each individual increases acumen, move up to more involved computers.



at 2/5/2009 4:17:02 AM, Carlos Krüger said:
In fact many times our design engineers creativity is mostly used to create needs instead of being used to solve the real needs at a minimum cost.

Crises could be seeing as necessary to unlock our ability to create new real solutions and paradigms that lasts until the next crises.



at 2/5/2009 6:35:15 AM, tom t said:
Apparently people should have heeded Dale M's message to check out the real news reports on this device. I went to the Times of India webpage on the subject (found it right from Google) and it is proving to be a source of some shame for the Indians. Quoting from the Times, here is part of their story on the "unveiling"

"As the device appeared smaller than the normal laptop with 10-inch length and five-inch width, buzz got around that it was a ``Nano-top'' and not a laptop. But MHRD official brought the curtains down on all the hungama, saying it was just a computing device with 2GB memory.

Joint Secretary, MHRD, N K Sinha said that the device still needs to be fine tuned. But he had no answer to the million dollar question: where was the $10 laptop? "

I guess they havent solved those technical problems cited by a few writers above, such as cost of display, batteries, etc. This was NOT a $20 laptop though.




at 2/5/2009 7:37:07 AM, Redhouse6 said:
The big jump was from the typewriter to a word processor, adding machine to spreadsheet. I don't NEED a GUI to do email. The rest is fluff.

Remember the old Atari and Amiga. Good graphics and low cost.



at 2/5/2009 1:51:23 PM, Wishful Thinking said:
I can see the social case studies of this widget in 100 years - something along the lines of how this device was singularly responsible for keeping the developing 3rd world ''n'' paces behind the rest of the world.

A sub-standard pacifier that was stuck in the mouths of the 3rd world to slow their pursuit of technologies that would have otherwise enabled competitive abilities.





at 2/5/2009 3:54:45 PM, mehoss said:
They use wintel components, they just have indians do the price negotiating!



at 2/6/2009 9:28:41 AM, lcsjk said:
Think! I have no computer. I have few books. I want to learn.What do I need? Black and white low power LCD monitor (look at wristwatch). Telewriter-64(plus) word processor (Radio Shack color computer pgm in B/W.). Simple spreadsheet. Both worked on 64kbytes ram (that''s k) Internet via cellphone i/o. Low power (solar)and supercap power. Simple AC power supply.
Thumb drive storage.

I do not need facebook. I do not need CNN. I do not need color. I need to learn. I need to learn. I need to learn.

I challenge you analog engineers to build this hardware. I challenge you programmers to build the software. I challenge you mechanicals to give me a low cost box.----- No Atari, no commodore, no Amiga, no PC, no IBM/msDOS, no MS, no Intel----Volume is 2 million per year India and China alone. Use your imagination! If you can''t do it for $20 USD built in China or India, how close can you come. You have 8 months to prototype.



at 2/6/2009 10:40:17 AM, BobsUrUncle said:
It was called a Timex/Sinclair ZX1 back in the early 80s. WHen the IBMPC was selling for $4K+, the timex was sold for about $200.

It inspired a generation of programmers. The $20 Indian laptop will do the same. It's no iMAC and doesn't need to be. The 3rd world needs affordable bootstraps too.



at 2/6/2009 11:49:35 PM, already laptops for <$100 said:
You can already get a laptop for less than $100, even less than $90 from China. If they split the usage among say 10 students cloud-computing style with shared downloading, each student pays his/her 1/10 share (<$10).



at 2/9/2009 12:38:25 PM, IanP said:
Technical aspects aside, is it really a market any western company wants to take on, much less dominate. The Indian economy is vast, but heavily protected with massive duties and business ownership controls, while at the same time their government demands free access to the west and for a host of low quality / cheap products.
It would be nice to think that the Indian computer market is hanging there, ripe for exploitation, but any company that succeeds there is at risk of being plundered.



at 2/10/2009 4:57:01 PM, apdelcomm said:
you computer guys better wise up and fast!!!! The Indian students do not need much more than the ZX-81 mentioned by one responder. They need to study over the net, much like Australian students in the outback learned over short wave radio years ago. These students will work their tails off to learn so they can earn. basically they need an electronic teletypewriter. they seem to have inherited the good old American ingenuity and get-up-and-go!Good luck to them



at 2/13/2009 11:27:20 AM, ron said:
apdelcomm:
I think you may have read between the lines very accurately here.
ron



at 2/15/2009 11:34:08 AM, Jen said:
I think this is a very interesting idea. I'm not sure how well it will all boil over, but what an interesting concept. I also agree: Good luck to them, as well!



at 3/2/2009 4:16:21 PM, bert said:
actually, we did!
We paid to educate tens of thousands of the best and brightest of India, then disallowed them to work here. So now they are back in India and will be kicking silicon valley and cambridge forthwith



at 3/2/2009 4:25:16 PM, bert said:
To fully understand "get up and go", I'd suggest you visit india and you'll immediately understand true motivation



at 3/2/2009 7:09:53 PM, Third world Legitimate said:
What is co relation of being first world and being born bastard. Anybody



at 3/3/2009 7:13:40 AM, Third world Legitimate said:
Moreover, you guys should know we dont beleive we are third world, because we dont accept the definitions of low life cow boys and bomb makers.



at 4/2/2009 11:34:04 AM, cybermueller said:
I bought my first computer in California, in the 80''s, for about $20. It was a Timex Sinclair... and I could use basic and assembly languages... I agree a modern $20 computer is achievable, just the applications developed to operate it will require a renewed programming savvy that we havent seen here at home in awhile...



at 4/2/2009 12:45:03 PM, ChrisPE said:
There are a few problems here.NOBODY needs a basic computer today.You can find them on E-bay for $20.00.Second they may do miracles, but will NEVER get a good enough screen to call it a laptop.Might as well call it a word-processor.The last comment may not be too nice, but did you ever see tools made in India? And they could build a laptop?I did see Nano and it is a joke, not a car....sorry , but very rarely a student is better than master.....just a pipe dream



at 4/2/2009 1:01:39 PM, Chris PE said:
...and PLEASE! , do not call Nano a car.It is a dangerous vehicle based on expanded moped.



at 4/2/2009 1:05:54 PM, Donnie said:
You can make anything for $20 if you sell 1 billion of them



at 4/2/2009 7:10:52 PM, kochiwala said:
If we can do a NANO we can do a $20 PC too.



at 4/3/2009 6:17:18 AM, Cyber.Engineer said:
Gentlemen:
A $20 computer has already been manufactured. It is called a ZX-81. For you Kids it was manufactured by Sinclair origionally then later by Timex-Sinclair. A Cheap Modem and current browser technology a cheap bi-color monitor (do you really need color for online learning).
Now the problem truly is the influx of Engineers from India that are taking American Jobs. They truly do work for nothing!



at 4/8/2009 3:48:40 AM, Floryin said:
So it turns out that even the american capitalist way of thinking is not so good after all. In India the salaries are very low. Indians are very smart people but we must find another way of to solve the problems. The current way the economy is working is wrong. We must find another way. The 20 $ laptop is suitable for India due to low salaries. If a programmer in India can live with 50 $ a month i would say that we have to think twice before we can say anything.



at 6/3/2009 12:24:46 AM, Shakur-Cobraz said:

We can meake ultra light laptop at ultra lowest cost with SOC. in SOC we put VGA system, RAM accsess system, core of x86 processor, network (internet)& block devices system just in one chip in FPGA or others (ASIC too expenzive, very long development).This integrated system in SOC cause high performance on computation and lowest power .
mMore interesting is make special processor in SOC without paging but with other protection technique (4 high performance) for general purpse OS .



at 8/12/2009 2:24:14 PM, WAM said:
All that they have to do is to recycle our old computers



at 9/17/2009 6:44:06 AM, TEH MAN said:
YEA RIGHT




at 9/17/2009 6:44:10 AM, TEH MAN said:
YEA RIGHT




at 9/22/2009 7:51:17 PM, unitednations said:
there's too much opinion but less engineering data!..i've seen this before and I call it politics....talking without engineering data is just pure politics and its a waste of time.... real engineering live and dwell with engineering data before deciding feasibility of anything...show us the BOM cost and then we can talk all day about this thing...else i just consider this as pure non-sense and totally absurd topic to talk about.



at 10/1/2009 4:08:19 AM, cheap computers said:
This is the fun part, really. It is a rare privilege to think this far outside the boundaries of the proverbial box. And it is exciting what they can do when nothing is assumed except their ability to understand the user's needs.

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