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Wednesday, September 9, 2009

Telematics means your car will snitch you off to the tax man

Sep 9 2009 10:57AM | Permalink |Comments (22) |


There is a story, perhaps apocryphal, that tells of the King of England touring James Watt’s steam engine. The monarch was a bit bored and dismissive. He looked down his nose and said, “I can’t see of whatever good use it could be put to.” Watt, a little pissed off, responded, “One day you shall be able to tax it, sire.” So I guess governments all around the world are seeing that vehicle telematics can be used to report the mileage, speeds, locations and times that a car travels and, voila, they can tax you for your use. In some ways this is a needed advancement. One of the problems with electric cars and plug-in hybrids is that they don’t use gasoline. Oh, sure, that is the whole point to you and me, but governments need all the tax money they get from fuel taxes so they can build bridges to nowhere.

If you worry about the big brother aspects of this like I do, note that we are already there. Most modern vehicle engine control units (ECU) already records speeds and such. Police routinely have the modules examined after a fatal crash. And like all big-brother plans, there is a certain appeal to justice. A guy killed a child in a subdivision a few years ago and claimed he was going 20 mph. The ECU showed he was going 60 mph. He went to prison. Good riddance.

The scary thing about these telematic Big Brother proposals is that they could operate real-time. The next “advance” would be for the government to have the power to disable your car anytime they want. Late on your taxes? Missed that child-support payment? Well then you car will stop running on your way to work.  There are already products that police use to bathe your car in RF in order to kill the ignition, so wouldn’t it be simpler to just dial up a central computer and order your car to stop running? Most decent people will see the positive sides to the intrusion, at least until we live in a fascist dictatorship and all our cars stop running when we are trying to mosey down to Tiananmen Square.

Use the comments to let us know how you feel about this remote monitoring and control of your automobile. My buddy Dave Ruigh noted that here in California we all go get our cars smogged every two years. The DMV already knows how many miles we are putting on our car. If they want to charge for use based on weight and mileage, they can do this without resorting to telematics. All they have to do is a couple days of database programming up in Sacramento. I think the appeal of telematic monitoring of your car has a more sinister appeal to our leaders, but don’t look for them to tell us about it.


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at 9/9/2009 1:12:40 PM, Waiting said:
Technology will always be used by someone to harm others. The problem with government is that there is no redress against it. Oh, wait, we were supposed to have that until the democrat's dictatorship of the proletariat.



at 9/9/2009 1:41:11 PM, JohnR said:
I think government monitoring of ANY of our personal information should be COMPLETELY ILLEGAL without a court-ordered warrant with undeniable cause. I think the obscenly-mis-named "Patriot Act" is the most destructive thing to happen in America, FAR WORSE THAN THE TERRORIST ATTACKS.

The high-tech information age (in which I participate) is REALLY SCARY when you consider the fascist, witch-hunting Executive Branch that we just barely got rid of in this country, and was/is supported by all branches and both of the ruling-class parties.

For that reason and goal I would be willing to to give up all this tech and consider a Luddite lifestyle, and for those of you who know me, you know what a stretch that would be.

In the current state of affairs, Government "law enforcement" is completely out of control. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This has always been true. And universal access to our personal information gives the government WAY too much power. Government needs quite a few impediments to screwing with our lives directly.

That doesn't mean government is evil. It just means we've let our representative democracy shift from representing the people to representing the ultra-rich and large corporate interests, and we've allowed our laws (which control the government that WE THE PEOPLE supposedly mandated) to shift to protecting the corporate elite at the expense of humanity.

KEEP GOVERNMENT SLOW AND ENCUMBERED. KEEP OUR INFORMATION PRIVATE. KEEP OUR FREEDOMS.

Worse than the government getting your telematics is the Insurance Companies. Be afraid. Be very afraid.




at 9/9/2009 2:26:46 PM, Rick said:
Sure the mileage in California is recorded every two years (smog check), but that is not always indicative of how many public road miles the vehicle has seen (private property, race track, etc.). Therefore it is not a fair way to tax.

I agree that telematics is a bit intrusive by the government.



at 9/9/2009 2:30:20 PM, AM said:
"There are already products that police use to bathe your car in RF in order to kill the ignition"

Really? Can someone link me to these?



at 9/9/2009 2:46:11 PM, Eric Kinast said:
at 9/9/2009 2:30:20 PM, AM said:

"There are already products that police use to bathe your car in RF in order to kill the ignition"

Really? Can someone link me to these?

>>>>The author is probably referring to the claims made by Eureka Aerospace of Pasedena CA, for their HPEMS device. See www(dot)eurekaaerospace(dot)com





at 9/9/2009 3:02:50 PM, Phil H said:
In UK we have faaabulous traffic cameras that log your number plate when you pass them, then 30 miles later you go past another, they figure out your average speed in-between and send you a ticket if they can. No one seems to think that a huge database containing the movement of every law abiding driver is an intrusion. Sometimes I think the Americans have the right idea, we should be a bit more critical of authority?



at 9/9/2009 3:15:37 PM, txtag said:
Texas already has a limited capability with the toll roads. Instead of just increasing the gas tax, they decided it would be "easier" to do toll roads where they track every car that uses it. I view it as an "interim" solution to full tracking with telematics. Lets face it, short of a revolution, we are going to get watched more carefully than east germany could ever have dreamed of. After all, with catch phrases like "Its for the children" and "if you have nothing to hide" how can it be fought. Franklin is turning over in his grave.



at 9/9/2009 3:23:22 PM, CliffG said:
I have heard they already do this in Singapore: charge you for all miles on the public road, based on which road, time of day, etc, but I didn't go look it up. What I just read today, though, is an experiment in the EU that will enable this tracking: look at 3w designnews.com/article/327115-Chip_Enables_Road_User_Charging_.php?rssid=20027&text=netherlands so imagine hooking the tracking up to the HPEMS device: go too fast, or your ex wants to talk to you, and the system "sees" you (or your car) and the HPEMS pulls you over down the road. No people needed, you're just sitting there. You'll need a TEMPEST qualified car to keep driving.



at 9/9/2009 4:10:13 PM, xyz said:
The problem with control of systems is the controllers. Who polices the police ?



at 9/9/2009 5:14:44 PM, Mark M said:
Well, it is one of a few suggestions to a looming problem. Roads are mainly funded by gas taxes, and these are state taxes used by your state DOT to fix your road. But if your new car gets better MPG, you are paying less for the same service. Good for you, bad for the DOT.

As for bridges to nowhere, that was a Federal funding thing, not gas tax. So, if I drive an electric car, that means I get to use roads funded by all you gas drivers? That doesn't seem fair. As for telematics, the RF tags used by toolbooths in NY and NJ have been running for years. These new telematics just add more details to the data.



at 9/9/2009 5:49:57 PM, PresidentDon said:
Just remember when the government wants to stop you leaving your area where you live, they can turn off your car. They can monitor your speed, hours of use, and everything that should be private. The police will love this, will you? If your car can be computer controlled, then your speed in various areas can be controlled. With Satellite control, the computer in your car can record your entire path of use. Do you want this?
Think about the implications of this technology before you accept your government control.
Want to drive to Washington DC, sorry, your motor will be turned off to protect the government. When you get your ID chip (RFID) you can be denied any travel the government wants.
Either we fight for our Freedoms NOW, or we will just submit, like all good slaves must do. Any government control is against the Bill of Rights.
Fight now, not when you are in FEMA camps.



at 9/10/2009 5:03:21 AM, Pit Lab said:
Wait until you're wearing a wrist watch / bracelet-like device that monitors your physiology from the day you're born 'til the day you die (and can give you good odds of exactly when that's going to happen) - that's what you'll do before this century is out if you want to be insured. Wait until you're arrested for crimes you MIGHT commit because of responses monitored by such a device. And don't worry about driving a car - a hundred years from now your great-grandkids won't even own one.
As for your freedoms, what are you talking about? They vanished a long time ago. The America you knew if you are around 40 or older is NEVER coming back.
Future generations can look forward to leading boring, carefully guided, meaningless (but safer) lives, be happy with them and wonder how people ever got along any other way.



at 9/10/2009 11:43:59 AM, Paul Rako said:
About using RF to kill cars for poster "AM", I made the phrase a link in the blog post, here is the link:

www.edn.com/blog/1700000170/post/910021691.html



at 9/10/2009 3:34:18 PM, Stimpy said:
I am already paranoid that there is a record of every phone call I make, every email I send (unless I get tricky), every airplane ticket I use, every border I cross. Adding my automobile travel records are just a logical extension of this. Welcome to 1984. Privacy? What's that?




at 9/11/2009 4:30:10 PM, Andy T said:
Toll= (Distance x speed x mill-rate) sounds fair to me, as long as they lower gas prices to $1.00 a gallon to reflect the removal of highway taxes (like that's going to happen....). If you're a total fascist, you could make the speed an exponential factor in the formula. For those of you who are fashion conscious and don't wear your tin foil hats like you should, you are being tracked with your cellphone's GPS already.....



at 9/22/2009 3:27:17 PM, Look around said:
have any of you been to a gun store lately? Tried to buy ammo? You can't because the shelves are emptied as fast as they can fill them.

Change is coming, just not the kind Obama was talking about.

Scared? I am, you should be too. I just hope who ever takes over is better.



at 9/25/2009 4:32:25 PM, Andy T said:
@Look Around: There are a lot of dirty rats to plink these days, and remember - it only gets worse, as rats tend to multiply.



at 9/29/2009 6:58:26 PM, William Ketel said:
For starters, the lack of bullets is exactly part of the change that our current president wants. He believes that big government knows far better how to spend your money.
Real time tracking of vehicles is definitely the first step in removing our "excess freedom" of being able to go where we want, (if we can afford the fuel), when we want. One of the more basic freedoms of being an AMERICAN. Making a vehicle RFI proof should not be really that hard, but it would need to be a deliberate effort. I know that they used to do all sorts of nasty things with the EW pods on planes a bunch of years ago, and I am fairly certain that the systems in our military vehicles are relatively immune to such tactics. The ultimate way around it would be a return to the old breaker-points, distributor, and ignition coil system that served so well for many years. More emissions, certainly, BUT an RF field strong enough to stall that engine would probably fry the driver and any bystanders.
But the big problem is all of those who see no problem with government running their lives completely.



at 10/1/2009 1:33:14 PM, dcwittlo said:
Instead of the government reading out your speed maybe your car should read the speed limit signs. The speed limit signs could be equipped with RFID tags that your car could read and regulate your speed. Some cars already use throttle by wire. You could even allow a small amount over the speed limit for short times based on a running average of your speed. This system would not transmit your speed or position to the government but would still improve highway safety.

A similar strategy of Universal Identification could keep your personal information under your control in the form of a smart card that would do a cryptographic exchange to verify that you have certain citizenship privileges without saying exactly who you are. You would be in control of just how much of the information on the card was released. Of course, you would have to trust the card manufacturer that there were no back doors in the system. But don't we have to have that trust for all the internet cryptographic system we use today?



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