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Friday, December 5, 2008

Digital TV problems start to surface

Dec 5 2008 12:36PM | Permalink |Comments (51) |


So the broadcast industry took 20 years to come up with the digital TV standard and it sure does not live up to all the hype. I have been using over-the-air digital TV for about two years. As you would expect from anything digital, when it works it is pretty good, but when it screws up it “falls off a cliff” as they point out in this great article. .

I could only pick up about five channels, eight at most. And they were never the same ones. Twist the antenna one way and get ABC and NBC. Turn it another way and get CBS and Fox. I couldn’t get any PBS stations at all, which were the real reason I wanted to get a better signal in the first place.

And this;

A digital signal is affected by practically everything – where your TV set is located in your house, the walls in your house, the number of trees in your yard, how close it is to other electronic devices, birds migrating south in the fall. No kidding. A Washington Post story described how a woman who lived on the 20th floor of an apartment building would lose her signal for a few moments every time a plane landed or took off from Reagan National airport.

And this in a comment:

With my converter box the picture is crystal clear - when I can get it. I tried it for a while and the whole family agreed - snow is better than the picture dropping out completely every few minutes. I tried positioning an antenna all over the outside of my house but with no better luck than the indoor one. We had some success with the front door open and the antenna balanced and pointed in a particular direction but that did not seem like a good long term solution.

I told you folks about this last summer but everybody thought that I was a nut since they have been conned to think anything digital has to be better. That is false, and the promises of digital TV are a little suspect too. In short, if the TV station puts up 5 signals in the bandwidth of one, like our PBS affiliate does here, the picture quality sucks, it is full of JPEG artifacts, those blocky jerky crappy pictures. A commenter in my rant said DTV was MPEG2 but MPEG is just a JPEG key frame followed by frame change information for 64 frames and then another JPEG key frame. When you don’t have a lot of bandwidth you have to use low-quality JPEG settings and the picture looks crappy—this shows up any time there are fast scene pans or water or fire. Next up is interference. The government promised there would be less but that is a lie. Digital signals are far more sensitive to disruption. A few bytes lost means the whole digital processor loses sync and the picture (and sound) just disappears for a second. Pretty annoying. If you have cable or satellite don’t worry, this whole DTV scam was part of the deal to screw the broadcast industry so the phone companies can buy the bandwidth. Now that’s a fait accompli, so Google and Intel want to use TV whitespace to put up wifi up and screw the phone companies. Note that the public’s interest is not even on this list, it is only a question of whether the government helps the broadcast industry, the phone companies or the internet companies. You don’t matter, and sorry, you never have.

I will talk about the whitespace in a later post, ‘til then, I hope you live in a metropolitan area and be sure to buy a giant external antenna and mount it as high as you can. Use a tower if you don’t want lighting to burn your house down. And be sure to buy an antenna rotator while you are at it. I just got mine at the last electronic flea market.


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Reader Comments



at 12/5/2008 3:16:10 PM, Brad Wood said:
Haha! Yes, digital simply has to be better doesn't it!

A friend of mine who sells PC TV tuners contacted me a couple years ago to see if I could design an optimized antenna for digital TV. I thought about the likely problems and conjectured that the main issue would turn out to be multipath. I then came up with some options, only to find that someone had stolen my ideas a few years before.

But my conjecture about multipath was vindicated, to the extent that the invention I found the patent for cited this as the big issue.



at 12/5/2008 3:16:28 PM, davidpl said:
In general, the main digital TV signals I get are better than the analog signals. The secondary signals are poor. This is with the same antenna



at 12/5/2008 3:16:42 PM, Anonymous said:
Perhaps this web site www.antennaweb.org could help to set the reasonable expectation first, then pick out the right antenna or just go with your local cable provider.



at 12/5/2008 3:17:51 PM, kneet the skeet said:
Lot of artifacts even when using cable. Cable is also terrible, was watching a program last evening and dropouts galore, getting to the point that I should just get all the DVD's of past shows and see those only. That gets rid of everything . . . violence, profanity, poor programming and disruptions.



at 12/5/2008 3:23:37 PM, grind3rd said:
I love my analog TV. I hate the artifacts. This article supports my suspicions that everyone will get to enjoy the "quality" of digital artifacts. Should be an interesting year for the FCC.



at 12/5/2008 3:33:22 PM, Slider1 said:
Everyone with a cheap antenna blames the signal. You say nothing about the brand and model of your antenna. Start there and maybe some of us adults can solve your problem. Your story reads like you just need to write a whiny story for attention. I get it...Digital is "bad", you are right and the engineers and scientists are wrong.

What's yor take on the stock market?



at 12/5/2008 3:37:18 PM, Disinterested Observer said:
Heh, heh... Your comments are right on the spot. MPEG is a misnomer. If there is motion at all, picture quality goes south, unless one has unlimited bandwidth. MPEG has its roots in JPEG. JPEG already has problems dealing with still images. The movie guys want to stack those problems on top of motion artifacts?!?

Public interest has always been at the bottom of the heap. Making money has always been the motivator. Going digital has nothing to do with public interest. It's about making money for stockholders - squeeze more paid programs into a given bandwidth.

The digital mess is also trashing the radio broadcast industry. This another government mandated program for the "good" of the public.



at 12/5/2008 3:58:22 PM, Re: Slider1 said:
Why should I have to buy another antenna because they wanted to sell off a huge chunk of spectrum for dubious gains (if any)? Just wait for the hue and the cry. I have an ATSC TV set and still images look fine. Put any motion into the picture and brace yourself for grainy pixelization. Pan the shot and the whole picture blurs. Nice. Thanks FCC.



at 12/5/2008 4:04:53 PM, The Little People Don't Matter said:
Ultimately, what will happen is that the complaints from the non-satellite and non-cable people will die out due to bureaucratic exhaustion, because basically any complaints will fall on deaf ears.



at 12/5/2008 4:09:20 PM, Frustrated said:
With an amplified loop antenna (from Radio Shack, admittedly) inside the house, reception on the main network channels is usually pretty good, not many dropouts. On the PBS channel, whose tower is 90 degrees with respect to the network towers, I can only just barely get their signal and it still skips and drops out every couple of seconds. I'm maybe 10 miles from each tower in a suburban area, so no tall buildings around but lots of nice trees. It does work better if I hold the antenna...sort of like the "bad old days" when you'd grab one rabbit ear and hold your arm out and up "just so" to pull in the weaker signale. Guess it's time to buy a yagi and a rotator and try the attic or the roof.

We have definitely been hornswoggled on this one...no such thing as graceful degradation (snow), just blocks and outright dropouts in both video and audio.

And, no, I do not want to pay $50/month to get 100 channels of extra [expletive deleted] garbage from cable.



at 12/5/2008 4:11:33 PM, Flogger said:
In my location in suburban Boston, due to the terrain analog OTA reception is awful (ghosts, soft images, noise, etc.), even with an outdoor antenna. With the same antenna and the Zenith 901 CECB, I get every channel perfectly. Thus, with the advent of digital OTA, I now have an option to cable/satellite. There will certainly be instances there will be problems due to the switchover, but at this relatively early step on the learning curve for the general population, I'm moderately optimistic.



at 12/5/2008 4:13:08 PM, Richard Rikoski said:
With a decent antenna system and a current generation set, these problems don't arise.

I love the really high res of PBS; Letterman and Leno. I also appreciate the secondary channels that the digital scheme provides.



at 12/5/2008 6:42:33 PM, NotAsBadAsItSounds said:
I've been using the New OTA for about 9 months. It takes some getting used to. I invested in a 300 dollar outside antenna because most of the channels are going to UHF. I can get good signals from about 60 miles away. I've also found it depends on the tuner, the two overall best ones you can get with the coupon IMHO are the DTVPal and Digital Stream at Radio Shack.

What I did was get my antenna db plots, overlay that onto my channel orientations and strenthgs from antennaweb.cpm and TVfool.com to figure out what antennas will block out co-channel interference the most. Its worked pretty well for me.



at 12/5/2008 11:33:19 PM, Froggy said:
These problems are not a surprise. Fifteen years ago, or so, I was leading the team developing the first COFDM ( The European DTV standard) chipset, and I have had many discussions, or I'd rather say arguments, with my colleagues in US ( mainly in the TV maker Zenith at that time) working o the 16VSB, the US standard. All what is described today just stem from the theory: the 16VSB cannot deal with mobile echos coming from tree leaves, or planes or cars in the street, or from fluctuating transmission conditions.
On the other hand, the COFDM works fine just because in certain conditions of maximum distance,always met in practice, the echoes add up together to reinforce the main signal. Quite everybody in Europe enjoy terrestrial DTV, without any problem. I have at home a small indoor antenna (two sticks of 15 cm= 6 inches) and I catch all the channels, even when I move the antenna.
So,not so bad to go back to the theory sometimes, but it may be a bit late for the ATSC.




at 12/6/2008 9:02:52 AM, Joe Shmoe said:
As Froggy said, and as the wireless industry has gone now, OFDM was the proper choice. The wireless industry is also WAY faster in implementing than the DTV regulations, which took basically FOREVER and now we know VSB was not the right choice. Oh well. I have yet to switch but our family watches DVDs and YouTube these days since the company my wife works for pays for the ISP for us. My plan was always to stick an antenna with a rotator up in a tree for OTA - looks like this is the time to do it or I may get nothing OTA.



at 12/7/2008 10:58:01 AM, Slider1 said:
Seriously Paul, why not review your "beliefs" again after installing an appropriate antenna suitable for digital signals in your area? LIke all industries, digital television, signal and all, has to mature and evolve. Using the wrong antenna and then blaming the digital signal causes the reader to question your motive and integrity. You amit to bias for the old analog technology so why bother writing an article pretending to critique analog's digital replacement? You have become the problem,not digital signals.



at 12/7/2008 1:13:04 PM, Mike M said:
I ended up dropping cable for OTA as I don''t watch that much TV and it works great. I''m 51 miles from the LA broadcast towers on Mt. Wilson, in South Orange county. The signals are very reliable and I only seldom have dropouts on the weaker stations. The DTV signals are far more effective than the analog signals in my case. I am using a CM4228 in my attic along with a YA-1713 for when channels 7/9/11/13 go back to upper VHF (No Low VHF DTV here).
However, many markets do not have effective co-location, which will put some stations at a significant disadvantage. If the US is serious about DTV, stations should be made to co-locate and an extensive translator system/DTS should be developed. However, even with all the problems DTV will have/has in some areas, the FCC seems to be more interested in letting White Space Devices into the TV band. Let''s get something that works first.

The fact that most Low-VHF stations (2-6) are moving/have moved to UHF is mostly ignored. I think this is the right move as impulse noise on such channels are a major problem for DTV (and who wants small boat antennas), but it does create coverage gaps.

So, DTV works very well for me, but I''m not optimistic for the country at large. Many antenna upgrades will be needed in the middle of winter. Will the FCC be around in places like Madison, WI and Buffalo, NY to help people put up new antennas? I think not.



at 12/7/2008 3:23:25 PM, Bozzmonster said:
A lot of discussion has been spent talking about OTA antenna, service area plots, placement of equipment, etc. Many, including the FCC forget that the typical OTA signal user is more than likely using a pair of rabbit ears in less than optimal conditions. For them, a snowy or ghosty picture is the norm, something they can live with and the lingo they don't understand... and they never needed to. Or, living in a deed-restricted area (ie. apartment or condo) with no additional monetary resources, analog OTA - no matter how poorly received, is the only alternative they have. Unfortunately, digital television is going to serve a smaller percentage of these viewers. If comparing the equal strengh of signal digital vs analog, and the analog signal was weak, but receivable 100% of the time, there is a great likelihood the digital signal cannot be received, or will only be received part time due to the cliff effect. When I speak the lingo to the typical 'plug and play' user, I have to do a lot of explaining to make them understand. In this transition, nobody has gone to bat to say in clear terms 'you aren't going to receive the same stations you did before without a new antenna, even with a converter box.' In my case, I did spend a little money (about $200) for a modest outdoor antenna with rotor and amplifier that does quite well in my area. It even improved my FM radio reception! If I relied on the standard non-amplified indoor antenna, I would only be able watch a fraction of the channels I could pick up in analog form. Though snowy, they were watchable. I'm another one who quite happily dropped cable after fine-tuning my outer antenna, but I am the only one in the whole neighborhood with a new outdoor antenna. I haven't watched analog television in months. However, keep in mind the old 'analog' technology to receive the signal, a quality antenna, is still needed. The physics do not change. The digital signal is still broadcast on UHF and VHF, so the science of receiving antenna still applies.



at 12/8/2008 1:16:42 AM, tom said:
Here in Europe DVB-T works excellent. I barely could watched analog due to bad signal (geography...), switching to DVB-T MPEG4 I now have excellent picture without changing anything on antenna side (it's even looking in wrong direction). Every additional echo just helps for better signal at the end, contrary to prev analog.
Pitty that in USA you never made right decision :-)



at 12/8/2008 5:32:43 AM, arclight said:
All: I fear that this may be another instance where the US made a poor technology decision (like IBOC vs. DRM for broadcast radio). I don't recall the arguments for and against VSB vs. OFDM for DTV; anyone have history here? Any links to good technical comparison of the two?

While I'm asking questions, does anyone have any information on reference sensitivity / noise figure / required S/N ratio of current HDTV receivers or converters? I'm interested in constructing a link budget.

Obviously, in the current world here in the US, an antenna needs to be outdoors and well away from reflecting surfaces. Fortunately, the FCC did get this one correct: in the US folks are allowed to put antennas up to 12' above the roofline, and no deed-restriction or homeowners' association can prevent that (see www.fcc.gov for details, and don't be afraid to stand on your rights under the law!). Folks should take advantage of that ruling and put up the best outdoor antenna they can afford--one that has narrow aperture combined with very good front-to-back and front-to-side rejection. Doing that should eliminate most local multipath. It may also require a rotor to manage, but that's not a big deal.




at 12/8/2008 7:51:08 AM, Diginull said:
I agree and so does my 80 yr old mother. At full reception, it is a great picture - but let a bird go by and you get the "freeze". Not to mention the additional remote, the continued need for the antenna rotor and task of explaining the signal strength monitor to an 80 yr old. A few flurries are better than absolute/nothing.



at 12/8/2008 8:53:53 AM, Mike M said:
ATSC has significant advantages in the US, mostly due to the underdeveloped translator/repeater system. In Europe, main transmitters are not expected to reach much beyond 25 miles, instead relying on relays/repeaters for outlying areas. COFDM also requires quite a bit more power to cover the same area. If you do a search for 8VSB, you can find some articles on this. ATSC handles impulse noise better than COFDM and much of the early multi-path problems have been resolved in newer chip-sets. However, the attempt to use Low-VHF with ATSC is the main down-side of the standard. The impulse noise characteristics are better, but not that good. We will need UHF channels 52-59 in some areas, but they have already been auctioned off. Hopefully, the few other ATSC countries won't make the same mistake, but Canada's heart doesn't seem to be into digital terrestrial at all.



at 12/8/2008 9:24:45 AM, Mike_NJ said:
This is only a problem for the poor (those who can't afford Cable or Satellite) and as we all know the poor don't count.



at 12/8/2008 11:28:24 AM, GREG said:
Thank you Pres Bush Administration and FCC (Fcc Chief is pres appointed position), Gee you know the rules don''t you?..... The special interests and campaign contributors --yeah whatever you want... the little people --hardworking taxpayers ...don''t exist! Get screwed.... We need to make a law deporting all Bush''s ....
since they think Iraq is
a great success maybe they can live there!



at 12/8/2008 2:14:33 PM, Steve said:
HDTV whether OTA or otherwise provides the originator with the ability to scale up or down the amount of bandwidth they transmit. Witness the relative frequency of (obviously) non-HD material. How many times each evening are your looking at content with less than full HD resolution ?

How long after this "transition" before we're all in a real-time barter for more bytes at progressively higher and higher prices ??

How many times will we be re-sold on the HD "quality" at progressively higher prices ? Remember the how commercial OTA evolved into a higher quality "cable" promise which became "basic cable" (at a higher price and with more commercial content) etc., etc., etc., etc.



at 12/8/2008 3:46:09 PM, Ken said:
It would be nice if EDN published the FCC website where we can voice our displeasure about DTV. I agree with the general consensus that it's not ready for prime time. No one, obviously at the FCC, has done a comprehensive set of field tests and candidly written up the results. Where's the transparency when we need it.



at 12/8/2008 4:50:21 PM, Lora said:
yea i don't like how digital signal just drops completely, so you can't
even guess from the sound or shaky image what was going on in that
part of the show.

nbc been the most problematic for me where i switch off the digital
that keeps crapping out and go to the analog which is just fine and
looks good.

i haven't even try the pain of timing my digital reciever and vcr simulataneously
so that i can still use my vcr for the simplicity of recording local shows.

and the digital converter boxes (even after stupid $40 government coupons)
are overpriced!!! stupid simple little things. cheaper than a cable subscription
yes, but still annoying to have to pay for it all. especially as this article
suggests, none of it was for the public's interest.



at 12/11/2008 5:16:42 PM, Les said:
I'm 60 miles away from the transmitters - along side a great multipath mountain range. Reception in normaly good with my old 90-mile Radio Shack antenna and 18dB Wal-mart booster feeding 2 TVs. The antenna is in my attic instead of on the roof where I'd get better reception (but risk weather hazzards). My only complaint is that the audio and video have a delay problem (fraction of a second).



at 12/16/2008 1:16:34 PM, Paul said:
I'm 5 miles from the main antenna 'farm' and can just get a few of the available channels with minimum artifacts, and I am using a highly rated DTV antenna. The small DTV set in my bedroom gets a better picture with a piece if wire stuck in the antenna jack!



at 12/16/2008 1:40:11 PM, Joe said:
Near Utica, NY I could only get one OTA analog station. Now with digital OTA, I get 11 stations, including several in Syracuse 50 to 60 miles away, most almost perfectly. I use a radio shack amplified antenna (roof, no rotor) HDTV Indoor/Outdoor Directional Antenna, Model: 15-2187, Catalog #: 15-2187, and a second RS TV amplifier down below. Same problem at my folk's home in central Mass. They now get 18 stations. I used the same RS roof antenna (again no rotor) and a Motorola amplifier purchased on eBay. (RS seems to have fixed a problem with an early production model that caused a lot of failures.) Elevation here is about 500 feet above sea level, and 400 feet at my folk's home, which might explain in part our success with digital OTA.




at 12/16/2008 1:47:10 PM, Joe said:
I should have said "channels" not stations, e.g. 24.1, 24.2, 24.3, etc. Also, we are using the Zenith DTT900 converter box(I think there is a newer model now).



at 12/16/2008 3:54:38 PM, Chris said:
I just got the box (Zenith/LG) a couple weeks ago, and overall I'm really happy with it. I could only get a couple clear channels on analog, but now I get all those channels and more. It's true that sometimes a channel that's usually reliable sometimes cuts out. But overall it's been great. I'm using rabbit ears right next to a window. (Mountain view, CA)



at 12/16/2008 8:32:16 PM, HDTV lover said:
Frankly, I love DTV. I get a great digital signal, way better than the analog, even before you consider that digital has much higher resolution. I live in a heavily wooded area on a slope, so there's no signal from the back and a weak signal from the front. I use the same rabbit ears for analog and digital, in front of a floor-to-ceiling window looking down the slope into the woods. The analog reception is terrible and grainy, but the 720p or 1080i on ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, etc, is sweet and high-def. Occasionally i get the blocky mosaic effect, but I can't tell if that's the feed or my reception. PS My RCA rabbit ears cost $10 from Home Depot.



at 12/17/2008 4:02:30 AM, arclight said:
@GREG: The FCC Commissioners are appointed by the President but confirmed by the Senate. The Commissioners who set DTV in motion were appointed and confirmed during the Clinton years. Can't blame George Bush for this one. Work on DTV was moving ahead heavily during the late 1990s (I was working on it as a NASA contractor).
@PaulRako: Interestingly enough, I heard on a conference call about the white spaces yesterday that the TV broadcasters are now beginning to think about filling the white spaces with hardware designed to meet the requirements for unlicensed equipment but configured to act as TV translators / repeaters. Their plan seems to be that as long as anyone is going to operate in those spaces, it's going to be them!





at 12/17/2008 6:47:45 AM, Bob Robertson said:
I have to ask, why is anyone surprised?

It's not like DTV was developed through competition in a free market or anything.

No, it was mandated by politicians. The final two sentences of the article are the real issue, everything else is distraction.

The problem I've had as an anarchist in pointing out how government is destructive to everything it touches, is that everyone has _something_ they think must be accomplished by force.

It's fascinating how those _somethings_ are often so very different, showing that there is little or no consensus as to what government "should" be doing anyway.




at 12/17/2008 2:50:43 PM, tony almeida said:
One of the biggest problems is simply not being able to accurately *tune* the antenna for best reception. A pristine strong signal displays just as well as a borlerline signal where the tuner's just barely hanging on to it. With analog stations, you can easily tell by whether the level of hiss and/or snow is rising or falling when positioning the rabbit-ears or aiming the outdoor yagi, but with digital it's hit or miss, all or nothing. That adds to the frustration with DTV in general.

That being said, sure, I *love* the nice high-def signal, watching shows OTA in 1080p in 16:9, where before I was limited to 480i in 4:3. But there were plenty of instances where dropouts got so annoying to the point where I'd just switch stations or turn off the teevee completely.




at 12/18/2008 8:02:57 AM, BigBears2 said:
I live in the country and I have, from what I know the largest outdoor antenna Radioshack made, a VU-210 and a booster capable of 30db gain. I have always enjoyed clear TV viewing of all the stations in the area for many years. By turning my antenna I could even watch TV stations in the neighboring state and a few out of Canada. This is not the case with DTV, I purchased a Zenith DTT-901 converter box and it can''''t recieve anything from anywhere. It has been stated in several spots online that they, the stations, are not broadcasting their digital signals at full strength or that the digital antennas aren''''t at the tops of the towers yet. We like many other americans can only hope that one or both of these rumors are true. Otherwise I think many americans that live outside the main broadcast areas will discover, even with the best equipment, that they have wasted thier money whether they purchased a converter box or a new digital TV. I think the poor and rual america would have been better served with a free ( local channel only ) cable subsidized by the goverment instead of the $40 coupons that will only get them a new paper weight. I find it oddly disturbing that nobody is covering the stories of those who won''''t recieve DTV signals under any circumstance. Then again I always did think this was nothing more than a plot to force people with old sets to buy new ones and/or force more of the masses to get cable or satilite TV to increase the the pay-tv profits and their control over us and what we see.



at 12/22/2008 12:17:56 PM, Joao said:
I live in Portugal, so we still don''t have digital TV over the air, only by cable or satellite. But, 2 years ago I was in Edinburgh, Scotland, UK, at some friends'' house, and over there the TV broadcast is fully digital. They have more than 20 channels, open broadcast, and they have some that are paid channels, like in cable TV. During the time i was there never experienced lost of transmission in the main channels, sometimes just a little of trouble to tune in the channel.
My point in this is that there are ways of making digital broadcast more reliable, it depends on the signal provider, but it''s possible. Don''t blame digital TV, just because it''s digital, blame the signal provider that doesn''t want to invest in signal transmission hardware to make it more reliable, or better video compression algorythms or error recovery during transmission.




at 12/29/2008 8:25:14 PM, Rawsome Chef Mary said:
I found this site looking to resolve my new tv problems. I have a high quality antenna my son-in-law put up on my roof last year so I could get good reception with my annalog tv; it worked great. My daughter set up her new HD tv and now I get less channels and they mess up all the time. As an aside, I can also can't get my older vcr to work with the new tv. If the only way I can get the basic broadcast channels is to pay for a subscription service (cable, direct tv, etc.) then I'll go without and just go back to using my old tv to play my vcr tapes and dvd's on it.



at 1/2/2009 7:19:25 AM, Rochester said:
I was generally pleased with how well DTV worked. Until last week, that is. We had high winds here on 12/25 and 12/26. All the DTV channels on both TV's here in Rochester, NY were virtually un-watchable: the audio and video were constantly dropping out, seemingly with the windgusts. (Both sets, one a DTV set with an excellent tuner, the other on a government Zenith converter are on inside antannas.) The signal level meters were swinging wildly, from ~15 to ~85. And, I agree, a snowy picture is way better than one that keeps dropping out.



at 1/2/2009 8:08:26 AM, Connor said:
All this is presupposing there would be something worth watching on the box in the first place. I refuse to buy cable until they offer "a la carte" or pay-per-channel so I'm not supporting Focus on the Family shows and, even if I had cable, the offerings there aren't worth the time spent gaining weight on the couch. Since movement conservatism trashed the financial base of PBS (our tax dollars were doing something worthwhile like educating the masses, so they had to yank that, fer sher), those channels mostly offer fundraising telethons now. So much trouble for such small return...



at 1/17/2009 1:09:51 PM, Scott R. said:
but, then again, it might not. They haven''t resolved this kind of signal issue with Digital Satellite TV, which as been around for many years. And whether you believe it or not, you local cable company also gets the signals they send to YOU via satellite, which is why you have some stations that also display pixelization occasionally.;



at 1/17/2009 1:18:12 PM, Scott R. said:
Most of my previous comment was omitted. The gist was that digital TV signal are much more susceptible to types of interference than the old analog signals. Even the walls of your home, trees, and clouds are considered to be interference factors to DTV signals. While a powered, amplifier antenna "might" resolve many of these issues, it is by not means guaranteed. For the benefit of Slider 1, I AM an Electronics Engineer and Computer Specialist, so can comment as an "adult". These problems have been around since the advent of satellite TV and they have resolved the issues there, so to claim someone's reception problems are due to a "cheap" antenna without any other information is moronic at best.



at 4/8/2009 7:05:53 PM, David said:
I hope DTV stations will be allowed to run enough power so those living in the fringe - like me - will have no trouble with reception. Right now, I can usually get an analog signal better than the station's digital. An example is when an area station on Feb 17 shut off their channel 10 analog and changed the digital to channel 10. I always got a good analog signal but rarely can get a digital signal on the same RF frequency.



at 6/13/2009 7:59:37 AM, Ralph said:
This digital TV crap is simply another excuse to extort more money from the public. We didn't need it! Analog worked just fine.



at 6/16/2009 4:13:39 PM, Dan said:
Ralph is correct. In fact, I thought that the airwaves belonged to the public. No one asked me for my vote nor should the government make money on selling the public frequencies. I live in an area with lots of trees to cause interference. I have no intention of wasting 20 cents much less 20 dollars with coupon on this fiddly DTV garbage that they forced upon us. The FCC can go to hell. Back to good ole radio for severe weather alerts and such.



at 6/18/2009 8:49:54 PM, 8ph56 said:
My father who uses the Tvfor news and a few programs each day has a small portable tv with antena He purchased the new and the most recomended converter and we installed it for him. As uSsul the digtal bandwith is a poor substitute for the analog systems As with radio it is dificult to stay in the bandwidth. iE my favorite RADIO station started drifting in and out several years ago when the station upgraded to a digital signal.wITHANALOGi COULD FINETUNE BUT DIGITAL SKIP OVER. Now I guess my Blind 93 year old father is loosing his TV sound too. THIS IS JUST A mONEY GRAB FOR CABLE SATALITE CO'S tHE CONVERTORS DRIFT AND ANY HOUSEHOLD MOVEMENTS (HIS CAT WALKING BY) CUTS THE DIGITAL SIGNAL hE WONDERS WHY AS THE PIXILS, WHICH HE CANNOT SEE DANCE ACROSS THE SCREEN THE BIG PROBLEM FOR HIM IS NOOOO SOUND i GUESS FREEDOM OF THE (DIGITAL) PRESS IS NOT A RIGHT ANYMORE.



at 6/20/2009 12:39:38 PM, Anne said:
Well here we are, after the switchover. I have no more channels on TV. I got the converter box over 6 months ago. It didn't work. I was told I had to buy a new antenna. I bought a new antenna. Still did not work. I got one single channel every now and then, but after a few minutes the screen would freeze and it would change to 'no signal'. I was told I had to do the scan. Did the scan. No channels found. I am too far out, there is no cable here and I'll be damned if I buy a dish just because this digital TV BS forces me to. Two million people without TV right now. Thanks for nothing. Oh sure, we'll be blamed for not doing somethign right.




at 7/24/2009 5:43:49 AM, daisyreads said:
I figured there would be problems with reception because I live in the country with tall trees in every direction and, indeed, there are. I could understand a signal not be strong enough for my location, but what makes it come and go? When my dog wags his tail, I lose the signal. It'll work in one antenna position and then suddenly it won't. And then it will again in a few minutes or hours but then again it cuts out. The trees are not moving, I've checked. I've asked the dog to stop wagging his tail. He doesn't understand. Either do I. I've gathered this is another thing we can blame on the Republicans. And I do.



at 8/5/2009 9:36:34 AM, donee said:
Hi All,

The FCC is limiting the power output severly. For example Channel 7 in Chicagoland is down under 5 KW! Yikes, an average DXing VHF/UHF Ham station will put out 5 KW ERP! (13 dBd antenna, 160 watts). This is rediculous! Any kinda precipation goes by and Channel 7 drops out. These broadcast station used to run tens of KW on analog into 10 dB omni antennas, or about 10 times the ERP.

The rural people are not well served at all by this, and the suburanites (like me) are getting sub-standard service.



at 11/4/2009 5:22:11 AM, Maggie said:
The very first day I hooked up my new little antenna everything was fantastic...
I have had nothing but problems since... In fact, Ive just stopped watching tv altogher and now spend more time outside! I have found myself picking up a newspaper more than ever as well!!

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