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Wednesday, January 16, 2008

Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD and the Sony PS3 vs. Xbox-360

Jan 16 2008 12:25PM | Permalink |Email this|Comments (149) |

So my brilliant young protégé Francis Lau from Aerielle sent along this hilarious video mashup of a Hitler movie with BluRay vs HD-DVD format wars subtitles [advisory: very profane subtitles, the audio is the original German soundtrack for the movie]. The point was that HD-DVD has lost. As I always pulled for HD-DVD this disturbs me, I like the cheaper duplication costs and at least some potential for cost-effective burners in our PCs. When Francis sent the movie out he made the quip “Time to go buy a Sony PS3”. I forwarded the movie to a bunch of pals including Todd Murchison, a software guru, gamer and all around Renaissance man. Last year Todd told me that he uses a PS3 as a media server. He said the wireless features alone make it pretty cool. Todd responded with these comments about the PS3:

I highly recommend the PS3 as a media client. I'm in love with mine as an addition to my home entertainment system. It's incredible hardware for the $400 price mark. For another $100 you can upgrade the hard drive (without voiding the warrantee) to the 160 or 200 GB range.

I run a free media server called TVersity on my PC (if you are using XP rather than a server OS you can stream your media using Windows Media Player) and I wirelessly stream images, music, and video to my PS3 to be played on my big-screen HD TV and surround sound stereo. The streaming media stuff is very handy as I do not need to copy everything I want to watch to the PS3 drive. The latest firmware on the PS3 natively supports DivX, which covers most of my video media, and the rare video in some other format is transparently trans-coded on the fly by the media server.

For those who might be inclined (though I have not done this) you can dual boot the PS3 with Linux, leaving the native OS available for games, etc. Plug in a USB keyboard and mouse and it's a very powerful Linux PC using your 1080p TV as a monitor.

As for games, well, they are awesome. I can really only recommend the Xbox 360 if you are a beer guzzling frat-boy who is exclusively interested in playing FPS (first-person shooter) games. If, on the other hand, you are interested in a wider range of games (including FPS), curious about the creative odd-ball games that come out of Japan, or purely interested in the absolute cutting edge, then the PS3 is the way to go.

Furthermore, the 360 does NOT come standard with wireless networking. A wireless network adapter for the 360 is a $100 add-on. The PS3 comes standard with wireless networking built in. The 360 does not come with an HD format drive built-in. Again this is an expensive add-on to get an HD-DVD drive and an add-on Blu-Ray drive is not even available! And yet all PS3s come standard with a Blu-Ray drive. Oh, but the 360 is slightly cheaper than a PS3. I wonder why. Oh! And unless I am mistaken, 360s don’t even come standard with a built in HD! Someone PLEASE explain to me why people keep buying these things...

As for the format war, well I for one am quite happy that Blu-Ray won. For one thing, PS3s have an excellent, firmware upgradable (profile 2.0 anyone?) Blu-Ray player built in, so I already have one. I also already own two movies. I got them for demo purposes, but now that it's essentially the winning format I guess they can be the first two in my new collection. As for Blu-Ray burring tech, there are already BD burners on the market. As for specific SONY HD camcorder features for burning to Blu-Ray, I'm going to go ahead and hazard a guess that it won't be long before the SONY backed Blu-Ray technology is well integrated with SONY camcorders.

If price is the only issue, well that's a simple matter of time. We all waited for DVD burners to drop in price. And then we all waited again for blank DVD media to drop below the $1 per disk mark. I would much rather have a similar wait and be left with superior technology and significantly higher capacity media at the end of it, than settle for, and standardize on, a format that is cheap now, but simply does not delivery a big enough increase in capacity.

Ok, I'm done with my pro-PS3, pro-Blu-Ray rant. Now, on to actually watch the funny video...

Todd’s comments about burners were in response to my pal John Dell, a National Semi product engineer, who had responded:

Too bad the Toshiba/HD DVD camp refused to exploit the fact that burning HD DVD’s on standard DVD burners with inexpensive DVD-R/DVD-R DL is a great method to store/play video from an HD camcorder (namely the Sony HDR-HCx series). Blu-Ray does not have a competitive/economic solution to DVD burning and probably will not for quite some time.

Then Steve Williams, tube audio guru chimed in:

Oh, drat these worrisome decisions on what new consumer format to buy! Why are there always two! Guess it must be the free market and all that. I need to relax. I think I will go drop the needle on some nice soothing analog vinyl. BTW, anybody know if "The White Album" is coming out in a 78 box set?....

To which I replied:

Actually format wars and VHS and Beta have nothing to do with a free market, it has to do with the 17-year monopoly granted by the government in the patent system. We would have some pretty crappy color TVs if RCA did not open up the patents and allow everyone to build TVs and broadcast transmitters back in the 1950's. By having the government select a single winner for advancements that are either obvious or percolating throughout the technical community, the inevitable happens, the big corporations get all the patents, lock others out, and then have these incredibly wasteful battles on the store shelf that costs consumers billions. If there were no patents you know how it would go. The Toshiba engineer would call the Sony engineer and say "Spiral groove with land recording, I like that". and the Sony guy would say "No cartridge to hold the disk, that is really neat", and before you know it there would be one standard and we would all benefit. I am not saying there should be no patents, but the term should be more like 5 years or even less, if the goal is "to promote the arts and sciences".
[Update: more from Todd Murchison here regarding the huge response to this blog and his feelings about game consoles.]

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Reader Comments

at 1/16/2008 1:06:29 PM, LogicPTK said:
I like your thinking.

at 1/16/2008 1:06:34 PM, wes said:
"at least some potential for cost effective burners for our PC's" Are you serious? You can already buy a range of BluRay burners made by a variety of companies but there isn't a single HD-DVD burner on the market for the PC. That obviously means BluRay is the one to go for if PC burning is your thing especially seeing as they have a 50gb capacity.

at 1/16/2008 1:17:01 PM, me said:
if the 360 only has one type of game, why is the game to console ratio so much higher than the ps3. that guy is a clown with ZERO cred. the ps3 is a joke. wifi? great...for the vast minority of console gamers online. no hdd in the 360? uh...again, anal-cranialitis is setting in. The 360 has a standard hdd in their premium model that the idiot said was a little less than the ps3. the model he was talking about w/o the hdd is the core model which is hundreds less than the ps3. Finally, ANYONE predicting the "winner of the format war" with less than 2% penetration is a professional clown. hope this helps.

at 1/16/2008 1:48:14 PM, Jimi said:
Todd, you must be kidding me. The Xbox 360 has a much much wider range of games than the PS3. It is not even close, so to say that the Xbox 360 is only good for FPS's is a joke. The PS3 is even more of a joke when it comes to games. I have yet to see any PS3 game that is worth the price of the system. I disregarded everything Todd had to say after realizing he is extremely biased. The Xbox 360 sells because it has the widest range of games, the most games, and the best games. The PS3 DOESN'T sell because it has a limitted range of games, the least games, and the worst games.

at 1/16/2008 1:50:00 PM, chris said:
This is just rubbish, we by games comsoles to play games. Who cares if it plays HD films. I will get a HD player for that. I have never on any games console played films they are not made for that. I bet the man that said you need to be fat and drunk to play a xbox is probably just fat, as he has know idea what he is saying. this kind a story just makes me wonder what do we bother trying to save the planet as it is just full of idiots. Just play games and have fun no matter what console you buy.

at 1/16/2008 1:52:53 PM, chris said:
Also who cares which format Blueray or HD DVD wins. The only thing that will change now HD is having a bad time is Bluray players and disks will stay expensive. Which is not good.

at 1/16/2008 1:58:40 PM, ^ Above Guy said:
A pro360 anti-PS3 person who insults people? I'm shocked (sarcasm note). Its people like you who WRECK the 360's reputation.

at 1/16/2008 2:16:08 PM, ^^ D said:
2008 is the time for the ps3 to show us what it truly is. current rumors of 20 exclusive titles on their way..

at 1/16/2008 2:26:06 PM, Pony Gaystation said:
Don''t slander a good system Todd... the 360 has plenty of games in a wide range of genres. Don''t be so narrow minded. You only need to look at the line up and XBLA. It''s been too long coming and now we''re finally seeing a system that is competing well with Sony''s brand. I say bring it on 360.

at 1/16/2008 2:28:47 PM, jay said:
Say what ever you want but, it's time for ps3 to show what it can do. I know people wants the ps3 to lose but sony will not let it happen. it's time to see the ovious: the ps it's on the way back to the top.

at 1/16/2008 2:41:22 PM, Xwank 180 said:
Blu-ray is far superior to HD-DVD. Stop whining, even Microsoft won't rule out introducing an add-on BD player for the 360... Before long someone will come up with an emulator to play 360/PC games directly on the PS3, when that happens, what will be the point of ever buying an MS console? That's what's good about the PS3, you have choice, not a graphically capable console that really doesn't do that much at time when the vast majority of customers want something that does everything. Lol, you'll all be moaning that the Iphones should only play music or point and shoot cameras should not record video soon...

at 1/16/2008 2:42:09 PM, Steve said:
You call him a clown because he thinks PS3 is better. *LOL* such a typical 360 fanboy behavior... I own both consoles and I do agree that the 360 has mainly FPS games. I do think PS3 has a variety of games, for anyone to say PS3 doesn''t have any good games is a moron. I like everything on the PS3 better then the 360 except for on-line which 360 is better at.

at 1/16/2008 2:42:36 PM, anon said:
To me: you do realize that when that 'idiot' states HD format drive he meant high-definition (as in Blu-Ray or HD-DVD), and not a hard drive? I do agree with the sentiment that its stupid to bash the XBOX360 for only having one type of game (FPS). That is as valid an argument as saying the PS3 has no quality games.

at 1/16/2008 2:44:53 PM, 360 is yesterday's news said:
unfortunately for xbox fans, xbox systems (original and 360) are developing a track record of a shorter life span during the generations. and based on the PS3 out-pacing the 360 in their respective first years, Microsoft will be force to rush another defective product out into the market while the PS3 is still in the middle of its life span. This "game library argument" sounds like the only tune most 360 owners can sign now that the system blew its wad with Halo 3. As for the winner of this generation's "console war" - the Wii has clearly hit the floor dominating with the casual fan (e.g., see non-gamers, nursing homes, parents, etc.). However for the hardcore gamer, the PS3 is only picking up speed and will be looked upon as the premier gaming system of this gen's war.

at 1/16/2008 2:59:17 PM, lol said:
360 only sells in America since the clowns in America like to shoot things. That explains why ps3 outsells the 360 on a weekly basis worldwide.

at 1/16/2008 3:00:58 PM, vnß said:
i think the wii sucks. but Johnny Lee is COOOOO! VR w/ headtracking!

at 1/16/2008 3:05:24 PM, mike said:
360 only sells in America since the clowns in America like to shoot things. That explains why ps3 outsells the 360 on a weekly basis worldwide. Way to make a sweeping and ignorant generalization there bud.

at 1/16/2008 3:07:22 PM, Azul said:
I think this article is spot on. Good thinking. Keep up the good work. Don't mind the X-droids.

at 1/16/2008 3:27:35 PM, nando said:
I was just recently on tiger direct.com and saw a blu-ray burner for 199.99. Now that's cheap...

at 1/16/2008 3:28:13 PM, winner said:
ps3 is the way to go! forget the xbox360 - it's craap.

at 1/16/2008 3:34:18 PM, jay said:
Idk why you xbots still havent realized the ps3 is better I mean how many people have you seen complaining on forums that they are on their 4,5 or even 6 xbox and I still hear about peoples xboxs dieing just not as much. Yea I cant say you dont have great games but look whats coming to the ps3. I think those games look way better than your exclusives. Also whats coming out this year for just xbox? Ninja gaiden and Gears of War 2 (maybe) and thats about it. I think youll be mad when you realize the true value of the ps3 itself (wireless internet, Blu Ray HD, and the cell which has broken world records for processing as your consoles processor). Developers have already said and this was like 6-8 months ago that they were already using 90% of xboxes power while ps3 is currently under 50% I mean think about it for a minute... Dont you wanna play MGS4, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2,God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, or even chill out in Home?

at 1/16/2008 3:41:59 PM, O said:
Unfortunately for the early adopters of Blu-Ray, they will be sh@# out of luck unless they bought a PS3 to watch their movies. The PS3 is the only available Blu-Ray player in the market to be able to play Blu-Ray 2.0. No stand alone Blu-Ray player can be updated via firmware (unlike HD-DVD from day one). This means that future movies with this movie profile will not be able to play on Blu-Ray players that were purchased before 2008. So early adopters get a nice stiffy up there a$$ by Sony for trying to release a product way to early into it's lifespan. I own a PS3 and do not use it to watch Blu-Ray movies (I don't even own a Blu-Ray movie since they are priced around $39.99 for new releases). Personally I wanted HD-DVD to win because it was a cheaper to purchase, updately via firmware, and was not forced on the consumer unlike Blu-Ray and the PS3. By the way, I own about 25 xbox 360 games compared to 4 for the PS3.

at 1/16/2008 4:07:09 PM, anon said:
To O: Do you really know anyone who pays $39.99 for Blu-Ray movies? I just paid $40 for the first 4 Harry Potter movies from Amazon two weeks ago. Plus, HD-DVD's are similarly priced, and combo HD-DVD's/DVD's are typically slightly more than Blu-Ray. As far as firmware updates: name one Blu-Ray player that can't get firmware updates, either via ethernet, a burned disc, or by contacting the manufacturer for the latest firmware release (which would be mailed to user on a disc). While its true that more likely than not all stand-alone players (i.e. not the PS3) currently available probably won't be able to go to profile 2.0, this isn't because of the firmware. In most cases, its because of limitations in the included hardware specs. To expand further on profile 2.0: there is no evidence yet that current Blu-Ray players won't be able to play movies that contain profile 2.0 content. Obviously they won't be able to use profile 2.0 features, but to say that future movies won't be able to play on current players is purely conjecture at this point in time. Finally, what country do you live in that you were forced to get a Blu-Ray player? I know the point you were trying to get at is that the PS3 didn't need to have a Blu-Ray player, but unless you designed the PS3, you don't really have any right to say what it needs and what it doesn't need. Do people who don't have internet access or don't have a LAN feel that they were forced to get a ethernet port on the 360 or PS3? I'd say the PS2 or XBOX initially didn't need a DVD player, yet we were forced to buy it (even though it added cost to the unit). Guess what? Its part of the product you buy. If you don't like what you are getting for the price, then simply don't buy it.

at 1/16/2008 4:11:10 PM, DJ said:
"I like the cheaper duplication costs " Look this up on Amazon. On average HD-DVDs cost more than BRDs. This whole cost saving argument is crap because HD-DVD doesn't cost less.

at 1/16/2008 4:14:56 PM, David said:
Todd Murchison's commentary seems really biased and obnoxious. While I share his disappointment with the dominance of shooters on XBox 360, one can hardly say that the PS3 has a diverse offering of titles. This year in video games has been what I would call the year of the disappearing console RPG, where we've seen many shooters with RPG elements, but no actual "old-school" RPGs, the ones that made having Japanese Developers worthwhile. If the PS3 has a killer RPG, name it. I haven't seen it, and the recent iterations of Final Fantasy have been disappointing since 10. Where has the new Lunar, the new Final Fantasy, the new anything with a substantial plot gone? We've traded deep plots for big textures, FFVII marks the last game that really had both (for its time). But to continue my response to the author: With the unique Japanese developers choosing handhelds and the wii for releasing the best odd-ball and rpg type games that pretty much represent the best aspects of Japan, the PS3 is just not the system of choice. Developers from Japan are migrating to the Xbox 360 as well, bringing over those quirkier games (Atlus Games anyone? The same people that brought over Disgaea). The game library for PS3 is empty, and with continued support for the PS2 and handhelds developers don't have much incentive to develop for it, especially when the XBox can graphically do everything better, and can handle AI waaaay better. Check the Orange Box performance issues -- It's not the only game that plays worse on the PS3 it's one of many. And these days, games are becoming less and less console exclusive. As to your "Beer Guzzling Frat Boy" comment: Not all gamers have to be antisocial nerds that surround themselves with anime figurines and star trek posters. Your ad hominem attacks serve only to reinforce your mental notion that everyone in your hobby should share the same world experience that you've had. I don't think that has any place in an intelligent commentary. As for Blu-Ray: Blu-ray and HD-DVD are both unnecessary. The consumer has spoken overwhelmingly that we are cool with DVDs and that we greatly prefer them to either format. 3% of packaged media sales were bluray and hd-dvd combines. I don't think you get that when you guys obesess over a few more dots on a screen, we just don't care, the movies look great to us. By the time bluray or hd-dvd could become practical, we will all be streaming content instead. Enjoy your obsolete boxes, because the rest of us will be using on demand of some sort which will have our full title library. XBox 360 is making a partnership to offer that kind of media, and comcast on demand will keep up. People don't really care to buy another box, dvds are working great. The switch will happen with streaming content, not with bigger disks. HDDVD and Bluray are like Zip drives. Neither HD-DVD or Bluray are consumer friendly, which is why we don't want them. Also, your little DIVX movies... I'm sure you OWN all of them, right? Because it isn't like DiVX is the standard for pirated content or anything ::rolls eyes::. I'll agree that the whole no built in wireless is a little cheap on microsofts part, and is pretty much a way of including a hidden $100 cost with the xbox. I'll still say that its better than a ps3. But that $100 price has kept me from buying an XBox 360. So you can't really retaliate XBox 360 fanboy can yah? Were I to buy a console, it would be an xbox 360. Were I to buy a second console, it would be a Wii. Were I given unlimited money and to buy a third console, it would be a handheld. Why? Because between the Xbox 360 and the Wii you have everything covered. High Graphics games: Xbox 360. Novel concepts Wii. The ps3 is lukewarm water, it doesn't have either of the pros of either console and both of the cons. Further, it has way less games than either (and I find it ironic that the good ps3 games are shooters/hacknslash) Summary: Todd Murchison is wrong. <3.

at 1/16/2008 4:19:31 PM, Whaa....? said:
YOU CAN BURN BLU-RAY CONTENT ONTO A DVD. IT'S CALLED BD9, AND LOTS OF SOFTWARE SUPPORTS IT. YOU CAN EVEN GET AN EXTERNAL DRIVE JUST FOR BURNING BD ONTO DVD WITH YOUR SONY CAMCORDER.

at 1/16/2008 4:43:04 PM, one more said:
of course his opinion is based on his ignorance of the general gaming market and his ignorance of the PS3 that he already owns. Yes, blu-ray has won(even though I too wanted HD-DVD to win) the war for HD video discs. Which will have an effect on console sales(for ignorant buyers like this guy). I will probably buy a PS3 for a blu-ray player(why not get a game system for the same price as a player?). Are there atleast 3-4 times more gaming options for the 360? Yes, of course!! Are there more FPS than anything else for the 360? yes, because there are more FPS games for the 360 than there are games in total for the PS3 and they only account for about a quarter of the games on the 360!!! I own the Wii, and after you play the games that come with it, i am not sure what games you would buy that are special to the sytems "special" controllers. I have Mario this and that, and think that i would rather use a normal controller. Wii=Gimick=shortest gaming lifespan ever! I wouldn''t buy another game for the Wii, except i keep hoping that something special will take advantage of the controller besides tennis and bowling. Either way, if MS did sell a blu-ray add on, it would sell the same as the HD-dvd add on. Which was very little... Unfortunately for the ps3, the prices on the Blu-ray players are dropping like a rock and the ps3 won''t be a bargain in a few months when they drop the 360 by $100 or so.

at 1/16/2008 5:23:15 PM, Flamierd said:
Unfortunately by the time the PS3 ''shows us what it can do'' -- the next next gen MS console will be here and Sony will be once again struggling to play catch up. Facts are facts and the people at Sony have always been idiots about introducing and elevating technology that is too ''niche'' for its own good. For pity''s sake look at the memory sticks. Once you get behind in this ''game'' you are screwed, look at Nintendo for the longest time, heck look at Sega and Atari. Sony is in the same position as the Xbox was several years ago -- but the Xbox was incredibly easy to make and port games for and was substantially cheaper to make than the ps2 -- Sony has made the fatal mistake of trying for one upmanship vice shooting at the market base and making good business decisions.

at 1/16/2008 5:45:25 PM, Natethegreat said:
the 360 good for online play....shooter games and sport games..... and most people play shooter and sport games and online plus price for the 360 is less than ps3...buuuuut the ps3 is right now the best media player on the market other than the PC the ps3 has a bluray player and it supports a wide range of video formats and audio formats, and internet capabilities plus it on the side it has limited variety of games but the games that have been recently coming out on ps3 have been better than anything on 360 such as Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Ratchet and Clank. Plus the multiplatforms games that are also on 360 which is like have of 360's good titles not incuding 360 exclusives such as halo3 which gets boring real quick because theres no point besides shooting the other player, i played it. Gears fo Wars was great game and ace combat a sweet game with a story line thats off the chain......annnnd thats all of the 360 games i can think off of my head that r worth mentioning

at 1/16/2008 5:45:44 PM, DaveBG said:
Sadly for the fanboys DVD won.

at 1/16/2008 5:59:10 PM, adeadfrench said:
I cant believe the IGNORANCE!

at 1/16/2008 6:32:07 PM, all are exclusive kick ass games that i said:
mass effect rpg/fps lost odyssey jp/rpg halo 3 fps gears of war fps blue dragon fps splinter cell 5 tactics/fps

at 1/16/2008 6:43:46 PM, Mike said:
360 is crap!!!! 33% of defective rate... you can get almost all those games on PC which will be better.

at 1/16/2008 7:11:37 PM, Jones said:
PS3 is clearly a more better machine than Xbox 360. The graphics and variety of games, plus a media center, makes it a good buy. Plus I can upgrade drive to higher capacity anytime. Xbox 360 unfortunately has reliability issues and that issues is STILL NOT fixed, even as we see RRoD issues with newer sets.

at 1/16/2008 7:18:13 PM, Mikeferro said:
I truly cannot understand why anyone would buy a Xbox 360 with its incredible 33% failure rate. Its like Bill Gates programed these morons to shell hundreds of dollars on defective product and you have these "Xbots" defending their defective product, its truly sad indeed. Going foward all third party games will be on both Xbox 360 and PS3 so, if you have the chance go with the PS3 teach Microsoft a lesson they cannot put out defective product.

at 1/16/2008 7:39:40 PM, neworleansvl said:
is this a joke ps3 has no games compared to 360 and why is it only ps3 fanboys talking about the format war who care its the games i play and i dont drink beer, also who cares about blue-ray anyway i rather watch my dvd player and the cds are so cheap

at 1/16/2008 7:43:31 PM, Max said:
I am not sure why fanboys exist or why they take this stuff so seriously. If someone likes the PS3 or the XBOX 360, I think that it''s their personal choice/taste in the product they want to buy, for whatever their reason is. However, what I have noticed or it seems to me that people have forgotten the first year of the XBOX 360. Good games were not as abundant as some people seem to be hinting. Still though, there was a LOT of FPS around at a time for the said system or was it that only the FPS games were getting the majority of the media coverage? Well maybe somebody would remember better than I would. I would suggest to someone wanting to purchase between these two consoles, to take a look at the exclusives. Whichever console has the majority of the exclusives that you want to play, then by all means, spend your money in that avenue. So that at the end of it all, if a fanboy comes up to you and says his XYZs about another console, you can give him/her a suitable answer based on why you bought your console. If however, you bought one because of someone else''s opinion or taste then feel free to feel stupid if you get a product you don''t want or like.

at 1/16/2008 7:56:26 PM, bababa said:
ps3 is better

at 1/16/2008 8:28:02 PM, Haligonian said:
LOL _ I stream media with Media Centre as well and Xbox had DivX before the PS3. Too bad PSN is ass! 10 million ppl on LIVE. Have fun playing MSG by yourself nerd boy. Get with the program and get on the bus to fun town!

at 1/16/2008 8:41:46 PM, Matt said:
I'm finding that people are commenting on the fact that the PS3 has a blu ray player and that they will/would never watch it. It''s the same with the XBox and PS2, that even though it could play DVD''s you''d never use it for that. Well consider that neither Sony nor Microsoft made these consoles as a movie player. The fact that these consoles play CD''s/DVD''s/Blu-Ray''s is due to the format choice that the company chose to go with. When Playstation originally came out it used CD''s and could play music CD''s. The games on the system at first didn''t even use the full 700mb on the CD, but by the end it was at it''s limit. So it was necessary for Sony to uprgrade to the DVD format for the PS2, as well as Microsoft for the XBox. Of course when these two systems came out games where using the full DVD for games. But as of now both the PS2 and the Xbox are near the full capacity of the DVD format. So Sony has recognized this limitation and has upgraded to Blu-ray, not for HD movies, but so that as we the consumers demand more from our systems, they will be able to provide us with more. Microsoft on the other hand has chosen to not upgrade past the DVD for their games.

at 1/16/2008 8:55:24 PM, Matt said:
Concerning games for the two systems... they both have good games, 360 has alot more FPS' but that's what consumers are demanding. The argument that the 360 is better because it has more games is rubbish. In terms of number of games 360 has more but unless you're bed ridden and have nothing to do all day ( and night maybe) then you shouldn't have a problem with running out of games to play. Considering that the 360 has been out longer than the PS3 I would be surprised if it didn't have more games, but more doesn't mean better. The PS2 has more games than the 360 but I'm not going to try and argue that it's better than the 360. When it comes to variety though both the 360 and PS3 have it covered. If one system has that random game that the other one doesn't have, hurray for it. How many people are playing that one random game? All in all if you want to get a system that is awesome right now and you don't care that it will be obsolete in a year's time than go with the 360, it's an awesome system right now, especially if you like FPS'. Of course most FPS fans that i know refuse to play them on consoles and swear by PC's, so.... Otherwise go for the PS3. If the format war is over and blu ray won than the support for the PS3 will be great. More devellopers are going to want to produce for a system they know will be around for a while.

at 1/16/2008 8:59:52 PM, boots said:
"I like the cheaper duplication costs and at least some potential for cost-effective burners in our PCs. " Hey sh1thead, duplication costs are already the same since technology has allowed CD and DVD replication plants to be converted easily to Blu-ray plants, just like HD-DVD. Even more, burnable Blu-ray discs are cheaper, especially on a per GB basis. The cost of hardware, like in any technology, will have to go down. The argument of "cost versus progress" is the weakest one could offer in favor of HD-DVD, followed by "interactivity" which is a gimmick when talking about HDTV. FUD for the lose!

at 1/16/2008 9:45:52 PM, inuk2600 said:
Let's clear something up about Blu-Ray. All future Blu-Ray movies will play perfectly fine on profile 1.0 players (the old ones). You simply won't be able to use the advanced features like picture-in-picture (profile 1.1, who cares anyways), or online interactivity (profile 2.0, again, who really cares anyways). The movies will play just perfectly in all it's 1080p glory.

at 1/16/2008 9:54:20 PM, Art said:
Im gonna have s3x with my Bluray playing ps3 while it plays sopranos season 6 disk 2 on it :/

at 1/16/2008 10:10:14 PM, JD said:
I own multiple copies of both HD DVD and Blu-ray (PS3) players and agree that the outstanding video quality is comparable in both formats. However, for burning optical media in Blu-ray, Sony has certainly dropped the ball so far. Their initial offering (BWU-100A) at $750 was such a success that it was recalled shortly after launch ...current PC drive solution (BWU-200S) is still pricey at $600 and blanks are not cheap. Yes, CD’s and standard DVD’s started the same way, but when there’s an existing cost-effective solution to high-def burning and Blu-ray is years behind, that is disappointing ...especially, since Sony has now exerted it’s muscle, coerced the opposing studios, and essentially eliminated the competition. Well, at least Toshiba/HD DVD survived long enough to force Blu-ray hardware and software prices down prematurely.

at 1/16/2008 10:47:58 PM, Gin said:
The Ps3 has the widest range of upcoming games and please tell me the rage of the 360''s games even Mass Effect a RPG was adapted into a FPS style. The PS3 has littlebigplanet and if you look at sales PS3 is outselling the 360 every week because you have to keep in mind that the US is not the only territory to compete as the PS3 is outselling the 360 by around 100,000 units a week in Japan and PAL territories. Also the fact that microsoft makes you dependant on their brand of hard drive and then selling a 120GB one for $170 when you can get a 150GB hard drive independently for $90. The 360 is more expensive in the long term as you have to pay to be online around $150 for a life membership and $100 dollars for wi-fi make the total cost if the 360 itself costs $250 (for the medium priced model) then the total cost is $500 when the PS3 has all that + a blu-ray player for $400. All I have to conclude is that of all three companies Microsoft is the most money grabbing and that is why it won''t get any of mine.

at 1/16/2008 11:32:27 PM, L said:
I agree why are people buying 360s.. Arent they still developing games on the standard dvd.. HMm which I mite assume has been pushed to the brink of double disk games.. 2nd generation games on the 360 dont even compare to ps3.. hmm uncharted anyone??? and that by my accont is 1st gen.. Hmm wierd what you can do with a powerful system and Blu ray disk.. unlike some developers.. COUGH EA COUGH.. Some are lazy I guess.. Well for those who want a high priced suped up ps2 the 360 is for you and for those who are actully wanting next gen gaming PS3 is for you..

at 1/17/2008 2:53:51 AM, Andy P said:
I find your friends view of Xbox 360 owners offensive. Was that really necessary?

at 1/17/2008 4:39:17 AM, sam said:
Why is sony releasing a separate multiplayer game for Metal Gear Solid??? Surely they could fit this on their big blu ray disk? And it's sold seperate! Stunts like this are why I turned my back on sony this time round.

at 1/17/2008 4:47:22 AM, Alexia said:
In Europe most of us have high speed broadband so we simply download our HD movies and stream them to our HDTV. When sales of physical disks such as CD's and DVD's are dramatically down due to the internet, I don't see how bringing out a more expensive format such as blu ray will encourage us not to download for cheaper, surely this will encourage more people to the internet.

at 1/17/2008 5:04:42 AM, Jordan said:
ill have to go with 360. its online play is great. in fact it RAPES PS3s online gaming. Its a world renowned service and still never fails to amaze me. plus PS3 doesn't offer retro classics for download. and to top it off., the thing that is really sad is that halo 3 has sold more PS3 in the U.S. thats kinda sad when an entire console gets sold out by ONE game. ouch!

at 1/17/2008 5:19:14 AM, tigertomspill said:
360 does play hd it plays games and video in 1080p and 720p, plus it comes with the cables with the console which you have to buy for the ps3 because it only comes with the standard A/V. And 360 sell more games then the wii and ps3 because there are tons of games in all type of genera. I do agree that HD-DVD has been losing the war, blockbuster sells only Blue ray, Walmart is now only going to sell blue ray at the stores, and WB moving to only blue ray. so I think in the long run that blue ray will win out. I do think it was smart that Microsoft went with dvd because there was no clear standard. The only thing if games start utilizing the blue ray space then that will be the only disadvantaged for the 360. In some way ps3 is a good value for it built in wifi and blue ray player, but right now games and quality got to the 360 for now.

at 1/17/2008 6:27:37 AM, steb0ne said:
ps3 will own the 360 this year! Only reason there's so many games is because it's been out a whole year longer!! Guess people forgot about that huh? People raving about the 360's online play, I guess should be raving, considering microsoft has suckers millions of people to pay $50/year to play online. I guess someone has to pay for the servers huh? So, after you buy you wifi adapter, you have to spend even more money to actually play someone online. Nice strategy microsoft

at 1/17/2008 6:38:36 AM, sarren said:
at 1/16/2008 3:34:18 PM, jay said: Idk why you xbots still havent realized the ps3 is better I mean how many people have you seen complaining on forums that they are on their 4,5 or even 6 xbox and I still hear about peoples xboxs dieing just not as much. Yea I cant say you dont have great games but look whats coming to the ps3. I think those games look way better than your exclusives. Also whats coming out this year for just xbox? Ninja gaiden and Gears of War 2 (maybe) and thats about it. I think youll be mad when you realize the true value of the ps3 itself (wireless internet, Blu Ray HD, and the cell which has broken world records for processing as your consoles processor). Developers have already said and this was like 6-8 months ago that they were already using 90% of xboxes power while ps3 is currently under 50% I mean think about it for a minute... Dont you wanna play MGS4, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2,God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, or even chill out in Home? ...............................are you for real? what about duke nukem, huxley, alan wake, halo wars, too human, jade empire 2, project offset, fable 2, lost O. splinter cell conviction, ninja gaiden 2, banjoe kazooie, left for dead? they are all ms 2008 games.

at 1/17/2008 7:56:08 AM, joe said:
Grand theft auto 4 episodes which is exclusive to xbox. Sony only get the first installment. That's like getting gta3 but not vice city and san andreas. Grand theft auto is a console seller

at 1/17/2008 8:38:17 AM, John said:
Are you kidding me?? The PS3 has only one thing going for it, the BD capability. The 360 has more games, more POPULAR games out. HD IS BUILT IN. I don't know where you think it is not. I run my 360 @ 1080i with Dolby Digital EX Surround Sound. It's a media extender (although I use it with TVersity). The PS3 just didn't have the games to back it up. Sony wants to push propietary equipment to the consumers and I don't buy into that. You ask me...the 360 over PS3 any day of the week.

at 1/17/2008 9:09:44 AM, kanzass said:
As a videophile per say I could care less what format wins the hi def war.. I for one bought a PS3 for the bluray player....... i might be the only person on the planet that did that but I wanted a way to watch hi def movies... (I bought the 60gb model when it came out) I own a LOT of Playstation hardware and software.. (socom addict from day one)this was also a selling point for me... However it seems to me that the only people getting burned in this whole hi def crap are the consumers... Why do you think the movie studios are going with one format? MONEY MONEY MONEY they see the signs of the economy slowing down... they dont want multiple formats clogging up thier bottom line.. As for the gaming side.. I agree the X-box is leading the way currently but when it was first released the library of games was limited and it has grown to what it is now. The PS3 will be able to support large game files on a single disk... If downloadable content is ur choice hopefully sony can come up with an equally successful content provider... I find it interesting that when these formats were in development there could have been one format.. but the money hungry factions the be wanted to use microsofts platform and sony wanted to use java.... the consumers dont care what software is used.... I want digital media rigths on any content I purchase Bluray,HD_DVD,DVD,CD,I TUNES whatever... it may be....... one format that can be transferred with ease from one device to another..... If you purchase a game for 60$ don''t u think u should be able to do with it what u like?? The money grubbers have consumers pitted against one another... I would luv to play an X-BOX against PS3 version of COD4... online.... but most people don''t like change and fight against it..... One last point when I bought my HDTV four years ago there wasn''t an HDMI format out for consumers.. I have a DVI connection on my HDTV and about 300$ worth of cables to go with it( not to mention my 300$ reciever with no HDMI).... there is always somthing bigger better coming for your wallet.. I''ll throw that money in the trash along with my neo-geo system and my sega saturn... consumer electronics are a gamble... I feel for all the HD-DVD owners getting burned...

at 1/17/2008 9:45:27 AM, Shoulda Woulda Coulda said:
Apparently, the internet has just said, in a big, BOOOOOOMING voice, that if you buy and XBox 360, your jackson will shrivel up and drop off, while if you buy a PS3, you will gain super powers and grow an extra 4 arms! That's the honest truth...

at 1/17/2008 10:15:31 AM, Maylon said:
The writer of this article is so ignorant that its barely worth commenting on. This kind of ignorance can be dangerous, but luckily we are just talking about a gaming system. Sony fanboys are among the most obnoxious, ignorant, and downright annoying of the entire lot. In fact, I would rather quit gaming altogether than buy the Ps3 JUST BECAUSE OF YOU MORONS. Thats right, I hate you so much that I would willingly give up the passtime on sheer principle alone.

at 1/17/2008 10:41:04 AM, Todd murchison said:
You see guys like Todd murchison make me hate the ps3, the ability to rent HD movies/tv show from xbox live and extending to madia center alone slam ps3/bluray. I think Todd need to apologies for saying crap like that " I can really only recommend the Xbox 360 if you are a beer guzzling frat-boy who is exclusively interested in playing FPS (first-person shooter) games."

at 1/17/2008 11:59:02 AM, humanflash1983 said:
First of all I am a fan of both systems and I must say this is an interesting topic. I really feel that right now as we speak the XBOX360 is a step ahead of the PS3. The reason why I say this is because the PS3 is a very pwerful system with a lot of features...for example Blu-Ray Player built-in, Wi-Fi built-in, Motion sensored controller (which it stole from the Nintendo''s WII sysytem)a PS3 menu button on the controller (which it stole from XBOX360) online achevements (which it stole from the XBOX360) and has reverse compatibility with most of its PS1 and PS2 games. Think about it for a second with all those features I just named off the XBOX360 still has the lead why is that? I think it is because of great sale strategy the XBOX360 is about $150.00 cheaper for it''s top model "The Elite" which has 40 Gigabytes more than the PS3''s 80gb model. This so called fast paced system the XBOX360, has planned and strategized to dethrone the videogaming industies first super power house in Sony, in the last 20 years Sony has owned the gaming industy knocking off companies like SEGA (with Saturn and Dreamcast) Nintendo (with N64 and Gamecube) and yes even Microsoft (with XBOX, because of bad maketing) Microsoft has done it''s and have figured out how to compete with the worlds most dominant Electronic company "SONY". I''m very interested in seeing the outcome of this very competative war Personally I think that it will be close after the next 4 to 5 years with Microsoft being on top by just a small margine. Look people the XBOX360 has struck at gold very quick with less features than Sony''s PS3 so obviously it is not the software that has people buying the XBOX360 its the game play, online gaming (which Microsoft evolutionized) and it''s original acheivments possibilities. Today gamers don''t need DVD players in HD or Blu-Ray all we really want is great gaming and great games and XBOX360 has all of the best, with the most Exclusives you can find on one system right now so right now XBOX360 is the leader of the gaming world but you never know what can happen in the next 5 years the Nintendo WII might even take the cake.

at 1/17/2008 12:17:45 PM, stinger710 said:
todd comeon sony and ps3 has nothing repeat nothing even close to xbox live and xbox marketplace thats its biggest draw and your a fool if you bleieve anything else

at 1/17/2008 12:25:13 PM, vicar said:
the ps3 is better than the 360. blu-ray is better than hddvd. DONE.

at 1/17/2008 1:03:54 PM, krustykanuck said:
I had owned all three gaming units: the XBOX360, PS3 and Nintendo Wii. I found I used the PS3 less so I sold it, and guess what? I don't miss it. I don't really care about Blu-Ray or HD-DVD as I never used any of my systems for that and I don't plan on paying $30+ for a movie any time soon. I think Apple and Microsoft have the future in mind in terms of downloadable content. In the future the HD may even be replaced by the flash drive when prices come down. Just because Blu-Ray currently has a higher capacity of HD-DVD doesn't mean it will be the future of home entertainment. I get a laugh at the fanboys for either PS3 or XBOX360. Lets look at our history here.... The PS2 had poorer capabilities than the XBOX, yet guess what? The PS2 outsold the XBOX... same goes with the history of any game system with Atari still outselling Colecovision... or Nintenod NES vs the better hardware of the Sega Master System. It all boils down to the games.....

at 1/17/2008 1:04:42 PM, jake said:
xbox 360 is currently outselling the ps3 by 200% worldwide and more than 300% here in the US. why? because it is a better system...game over SONY, you lost...and if MS does come out with a BD player for the 360 there will be absolutely 0 reasons to buy a PS3...call me a fanboy if you want but i'm a fanboy for a reason, along with the 10 million others in the world who have realized why the PS3 is a $500 POS

at 1/17/2008 1:06:32 PM, stinger710 said:
hey vicar blueray and hddvd is the same quality picture on 1080p no difference you moron

at 1/17/2008 1:11:00 PM, On Anon said:
5 Year limit on patents? Hmm. Makes me want to spend a year's worth of work developing something, another year wrestling with the patent system, and additional time getting the product to market so I can get less time as a "different" and therefore better product before some mook can legally use my idea for their profit. Suure Wilbur....

at 1/17/2008 1:12:37 PM, Phil D. said:
Bets, PS-3, and now Blu-Ray ... Just the same old Sony trying to throw their weight around and monopolize the market. It's always the same formula ... Sony doesn't like to share so when a new idea comes out, they tweak it, patent the tweak, and then drive it through the system to make theirs the only standard thereby gaining all of the royalties. I try to avoid their stuff for that reason and stick with what I feel are better companies.

at 1/17/2008 1:22:48 PM, CRS1981 said:
PS3 vs. xBox 360 is all fun but I still think the PC is better. The same game will play on machines from different vendors, on different operating systems, old PC’s, new PC’s, and even sometimes operating systems from different vendors. There are tons of options like storage space, video resolution, controllers, and wireless and wired network connections. On-line gaming is plentiful. There can be no argument about the variety and quality of games for the PC. The games that are $60 on the consoles are $40 for the PC. If they were all available (haven’t checked on HD-DVD drives lately), I could have CD, DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray optical drives all on the same PC. Yeah, the PC’s are a little more up front but I can’t do any real work on a console when I am not wasting my time playing a game. So, the xbox and PS3 both lose---PC’s rule! Anyway, they are just games, time for me to stop screwing around and get back.

at 1/17/2008 2:45:23 PM, Jake said:
Wow, fanboys on all sides and few bother to have a logical discussion. BluRay is superior technology, end of story. HD-DVD is more cost effective short to medium term, end of story. MS went with the cheapest and smartest solution available at release time. Gamers didn''t have to pay extra for a drive they didn''t want but at least had a choice of upgrade. Sony on the other hand was genius in trojan-horsing the BluRay in the PS3. I''m personally glad the superior technology has appered to have won out. Oh, and how dumb is MS now that they can simply create an external BluRay player and sell that? If you''re evaluating your choice of PS3 vs. 360 now, sure there is a very strong argument for PS3 a year later, with price drops, upgrades, an actual network, and finally some games. 2 years ago or last year at this time? Yeah, don''t go hatin'' on the Box because PS3 didn''t exist or wasn''t worth anything then. Games? FPS only on 360? Pure fanboy drivel. Oh, and go ahead and name me all of those super-duper awesome games you had for PS3 up until recently. Again, evaluating the future, sure PS3 is coming up strong with new games, but the 360 has just as an impressive lineup. Make decisions based on educated analysis, not on biased opinion.

at 1/17/2008 2:52:59 PM, Winner said:
Simply put. The PS3 and BLue Ray uses more advanced technology than HD-DVD. For console games this is very important because the LIFESPAN of the consoles is much longer than gaming technology develops. With HD-DVD a limit would be reach far sooner due to capacity issues than would be on BLue Ray. Simply put how many of you own a rotary phone? Or a cell phone that is not quad band on dual? How many have replaced a computer in the past five years? The Lifespan for the PS3 is 10 years with a new one being released within 7-8 years of that time frame. The Blue Ray Spec will allow pleny of time in new development in both the gaming industry and the entertainment industry far longer than HD-DVD would allow. It is not a question of how many people bought an XBOX 360. It was a question of How many HD-DVD addons were sold that decided things. Toshiba and Microsoft for the WHOLE YEAR of 2007 sold a total of 1.2 Million HD-DVD players and XBox 360 HD-DVD addon appliances. Sony sold over 2.6 Million PS3 in from November to December of 2007. All which came with a BLue Ray player. Those numbers decided it for Warner to go with Blue Ray because that is the MAJORITY being sold. HD-DVD does not mean the end to XBox360. It just means that game makers will be limited to less than 9G for a game title unless they wish to release multiple DVDs or use the obsolete HD-DVD add on. Both consoles are being leaped ahead in gaming by the PCs now. It is a leapfrog session. COnsoles out leap Computer games when a new console is released. As that console ages the COmputer games leap ahead because they contain the newer technology until a new console with newer tech is released. I like the fact that Blue Ray won. It offers more options in the future for consumers than basically standard that was DVD 2.0

at 1/17/2008 3:40:12 PM, krustykanuck said:
Here we go again with this Blu-Ray higher capacity and therefore longer shelf life nonsense.. DVD and Blu-Ray may well be going the way of the CD soon enough. MP3 music and downloadable video to hard drive or flash memory which will eventually be cheap enough and have a higher capacity than either the Toshiba or Sony formats. How many people are lining up to buy $30 Hi-DEF videos right now?

at 1/17/2008 5:06:38 PM, Steve said:
Well i'm 38, slim, don't drink beer (well not to excess) and only 2 out of my 9 Xbox 360 games are fps's but i'd rather be a beer guzzling frat-boy than the kind of person that can only get internet traffic by insulting 17.7 million gamers. On top of that the whole article is full of inaccuracies and bias but i guess any attention is good attention right?

at 1/17/2008 10:20:21 PM, DVanditmars said:
Well Sony lost last time with Beta, this time they won with Blu-Ray, next time I guess it will be the other guys...

at 1/18/2008 9:06:42 AM, Dana said:
I agree with much of Todd Murchison has to say, although its incredibly biased. What people should be talking about is not that the Xbox360 sucks, but instead that you shouldn''t be suprised when the PS3 starts getting all the media attention for its technology. And that will happen in 2008 when the games show its potential. Many games have sucked for the PS3 because of Sony''s management. They have not embraced developers like Microsoft has and they punished developers that were not PS3 exclusive (by not giving them extra development tools). Its easy to see why gamers get the impression the PS3 sucks because of games like Madden08 and HL2: Episode2. But I could care less about any consol war. I will enjoy my PS3 and you enjoy your Xbox while it still works.

at 1/18/2008 1:26:12 PM, mathew said:
everyone is talking about xbox live so whats better on live?i no the ps3 can download movies music photos for free can u do that on live? i have over 50 movies on mine , 12 games , about 200 songs and a crap load of pics, didnt pay a dime for any of them,i got a 42lcd to watch my bluray movies, so if you dont watch movies then dont buy a ps3 dont like the insane storage capacity that bluray has 100gig blurays are out now, you just want games only buy a wii or by a core 360, me i happy with my ps3 cause it does everything a 360 doesnt

at 1/18/2008 1:36:27 PM, mathew said:
live vs psn yea u can download games and demos on both, can you get online and download any movie you want? ps3 yes 360 no, same with music ps3 yes 360 no, oh wait you can download movies and music on live but u have to pay for it me i like free as in free online gaming, am i fanboy nope got a xbox collecting dust does the 360 have better games and more of them yes they do right now, me im waiting for gt5, mgs4,dbz, gow3,rfom2,and on and on ,if what im saying is wrong hey let me no

at 1/18/2008 1:41:39 PM, mathew said:
i almost forgot about the format war ? there isnt one warner sealed the deal, cant wait to get transformers on bluray.

at 1/18/2008 1:57:47 PM, Jonathan said:
Why are there not more articles like this? Seriously the 360 pales in comparison to the ps3 and even this article fails to list all the reasons why ps3>360

at 1/18/2008 3:17:46 PM, gotjf said:
I also TOTALLY AGREE with you on the beauty of the PS3, and what it offers! Nice Article

at 1/18/2008 3:34:55 PM, Steve said:
It''s funny how when this debate was between PS2 v Xbox1, with the Xbox having better hardware, more features and better reliability the Sony camp claimed that the games library was the only important factor to consider, well the fact is they were right then but i don''t see the Sony fanboys sticking to that principle now that they are the ones who are a year behind in games. It still works for me though, last gen i stuck with PS2 till a cheap pre-owned Xbox came my way and this gen i''ll be sticking with my 360 till i can get a cheap enough pre-owned PS3. It''s not like i''m missing anything right now anyway, i''ve had a chance to play nearly all the latest PS3 games on a friends console and the only one i might have bought was Warhawk but i''m pretty well saturated with multiplayer online games and it doesn''t even have a single player mode. Currently playing Mass Effect and COD4, looking forward to GTA4 + Exclusive episodes, Fable 2 and Fallout 3.

at 1/18/2008 3:58:14 PM, mathew said:
no 360 lovers huh? the ps3 doesnt have any games ? what are these morons talking about, ps1 and ps2 games what about a thousand games? im still buying ps1 and ps2 games street fighter, god of war,dbz, final fantasy, need i say more, so for the record the playstation library is way bigger than the 360 is!!!

at 1/18/2008 4:01:44 PM, James said:
A tangential note; the video has been taken down for copyright reasons (presumably justified by the DMCA). However, my understanding of copyright law is that as a social commentary parody the video counts as fair use. Anyone else care to substantiate or refute that position?

at 1/18/2008 4:02:48 PM, mathew said:
does anyone have the bluray hdscape aquarium? if so does it look good? can download it at pirate bay but its huge

at 1/18/2008 4:17:16 PM, mathew said:
360 games are better online? gears has 8 player deathmatch rfom has 40 player deathmatch rfom2 will have 60 player deathmatch seems to me the 360 cant handle what ps3 is dishing out come on wheres the 60 player deathmatch for halo3? huh huh thats what i thought

at 1/18/2008 4:19:03 PM, mathew said:
sorry james no idea

at 1/18/2008 4:35:17 PM, sam said:
But xbox beat ps3 this Christmas by 4 to 1. Anyone buying the ps3 would have bought it during this time. If it's so good why is everyone still turning to the xbox?

at 1/18/2008 4:44:04 PM, mathew said:
apperently not everyone nos what the ps3 can do some people doesnt even no it can play bluray

at 1/18/2008 4:49:34 PM, mathew said:
why is everyone buying the wii over everthing else? no one relizes that the wii is a slimmed down gamecube with a motion controller, they should sold the controller for the gamecube just add a firmware update my daughter wants one so i bought her a gamecube instead shes just as happy we also play co-op in rfom

at 1/18/2008 4:54:36 PM, mathew said:
i was also looking down the road when i bought my ps3 as i no it will last 10 years or more microsoft is already working on the next xbox, ive never had a problem with any sony product ive owned, hell i still have my original playstation it works great bought it when iy first came out, to many problems with 360 3yr warranty or not

at 1/18/2008 5:06:58 PM, mathew said:
anyone download the final fantasy traler the 1080p divx version it looks awseome

at 1/18/2008 6:57:27 PM, Daz said:
So for every 360 owner that only bought it to play games, dont use any of the other features that it has. Dont download any of the movie content that LIVE offers, and for sure dont buy the HD-DVD add-on drive for it. Dont use it as a media server either cause its just about the games. Oh yeah and about those games. They are all shooters. Bioshock, COD4, Halo, GEOW, MAss Effect. Sure it has some other genres, but those are the top games for the console. Most of the others the PS3 has. Bottom line the PS3 is less expensive and does 10x what the best 360 can do. Hands down the PS3 is the better choice. BD player built in, Wi-fi, Bluetooth, best game line-up.....yes I said it, you 360 lovers keep wanting our games. MGS, FF, HAze etc. I dont hear PS3 owners wanting games on 360. Oh thats right, we get them as they come out as multi-plat. They generally suck on the PS3 because the devs are lazy but we get them. We also get KB/mouse support for our FPS....how about you? PC mods? Free online?

at 1/18/2008 7:02:47 PM, Daz said:
Oh and on a side note, the games argument isnt valid as the PS3 has a lot of great games. The reason the Xbox tanked is because it was a brick that had PC hardware built in......and no games. The reason the 360 will come in last again is because they keep dying and the hardware will prove to be weaker than the PS3 this year. Have fun with your HD/DVD add-ons collecting dust along with your RROD console that M$ will not be fixing in the next 2 years.

at 1/18/2008 9:26:22 PM, Irish Fan said:
Blu-Ray = DVD HD-DVD = CD Blu-ray has so much more potential. Plus it will never lose because it comes built in the PS3! Unlike the HD-DVD drive for 360. I have both systems but I must say Blu-ray is and will always be better.

at 1/18/2008 10:57:03 PM, Paul Rako said:
I fixed the broken youtube link, thanks James. I also added an IMdb link to the actual movie, now that I figured out who did it, thanks to the youtube take-down notice on the first link. So do we all think this is fair use? Parodies are protected speach.

at 1/19/2008 1:01:08 AM, Matt said:
I love the way the Sony Defence Force always flock to these type of articles while the proper gamers are off enjoying playing all the GAMES they have on their Xbox 360s, and how the half a dozen videophiles are busy trying to promote Blu-Ray out of fear that it wont take off and they wont be able to get their fix of overpriced, slightly enhanced hollywood crap. Feel free to jump in and tell me how wrong i am, how great PS3 is, call me a fanboy or a retard or what ever other unimaginative insults you can think of, i couldn''t care less because i''m going off to play some online gaming with some friends and have better things to do than troll websites, but if you would prefer to think of me going back to the frat-house, guzzling beer and having nothing to play but fps games then go right ahead, it''s no skin off my back. :)

at 1/19/2008 1:11:44 AM, Matt said:
P.S. Don't expect to provoke any responce from me as i wont be coming back to view this thread, i'm just not interested in what any of have to say, CYA

at 1/19/2008 7:34:47 AM, monkeypirate said:
Warning - Didnt spell check, in a rush. Liked the artical, I own both the PS3 and 360, and i will agree with you on the FPS comment, its not that there all FPS''s, its just that there all action games, minus the odd few. The PS3 might not have as many games out on it yet, but people are forgetting it came out a year after the 360. A year is a long as time. Looking at the 360''s line up for this year i can''t think of one game i''m waiting for, but the PS3, Damn there''s loads - Gran Turismo, MGS 4, Little Big Planet, Home, Resittance 2, Afrika, FF13, KillZone 2, ecochrome to name a few, add them to whats already out there - Uncharted, Warhawk, resistance, motorstorm, heavenly sword, lair.... ok i take the last one back, thats a pritty damn good line up. All i can see coming to the 360 are games also coming to the PS3. Don''t get me wrong, the 360 does have some good games, Halo3, Gears of war, Forza... Um... oh PGR. On the value for money comment - The PS3 is better value for money than the 360, Blu-ray, wifi, HDD as standard, HDMI port, Free online facilites. To get all that on the 360 you''ll more than likle have to by a new 360 all together to get your HDMI port, add another £70 for wifi, another £120 for a HD-Dvd drive and £40 for XBL, thats another £200 on top of the console''s price... All that together costs more than the PS3. So the comments i read saying the 360 is better value for money than the ps3 are talking a little bit of Poo. Don''t get me wrong, i would love my 360 to have everything the ps3 has as standard, but to be honest i''m feed up of microsoft release different versions/editions of the 360. Sony''s no better, dont get me wrong, its just sony still give you everything as stand bar the HDD size and USB (which you can increase with any standard 2.5" HDD and buy a USB hub.) I think my rant is over. Discliamer - Prices based on UK prices. :P

at 1/19/2008 10:00:34 AM, John said:
I'm sony through and through and bought my ps3 back in march but I got sick of defending it to all my friends who own 360's who meet up every evening after work and would play online together. I traded it in for a 360 last month and got a load of games and glad I made the decision. As far as the blu ray thing goes I only ever watch the dvd that came with the console, I usually download my movies so was no great loss

at 1/19/2008 12:04:39 PM, Mike06do said:
I like the PS3, the graphic can be better then the 360. It has a nice games collection with some ultra-cool first party exclusives. The PSN is good but will get better every year. The Blu-ray disc is doing a splendid job. The online gaming is free and downloading and purchase is reasonable. Oh and the PS3 will get MGS4, Final FAntasy 13, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Gran Tursimo HD and others. But the console is powerful with RPGs from Japan even though the 360 starting to get some. The Playstation 3 has folding @home where you can help with cancer, Alzeimer's Disease, Parkinson, and other medical disease by donating the electricity from the PS3. The 360 is just about money and not caring for the welfare of people like Sony does. The PS3 will get it's true shine on the world.

at 1/19/2008 12:10:47 PM, mike said:
Is this guy for real??????? Sony is helping cure cancer so you better buy it, lol, this is really low for them if that's true!!! Currently the graphics are all better on multi format games because they are all ports from 360 you moron.

at 1/19/2008 1:13:26 PM, Dan said:
It's kinda funny how all the guys that chose the Ps3 are trying so hard to peddle it to everyone else, what's the matter can't you find any buddies on Psn? I aint going to waiste my time doing free PR for Microsoft and all my friends already have 360's and if they aint around there's 10 million other dudes on XBL. Oh yer and some of you fanboys who claim to have both machines just so you appear to have some authority while you trash the other one, all i can say is you must have one hell of a dull life.

at 1/19/2008 3:11:38 PM, steve said:
I love the way people say that. I own both but xbox is crap lol

at 1/19/2008 4:05:32 PM, matt said:
xbox has 18 million users with 10 million on LIVE ($400 000 000 revenue alone) and a string of triple A titles with some like GOW still in the top 10. Even if every ps3 user buys the 5 or so exclusives coming out this year that won't even scratch the surface of the vast amount of xbox games being sold. It's the games sales revenue xbox is making that is destroying ps3 who are yet to even turn a profit.

at 1/19/2008 4:26:11 PM, msx said:
Well the offical figures are in for 2007 and the ps3 sold......2.56 million consoles! Ha ha ha ha ha! Look it up for yourself, it will be so much sweeter! And as for the blu ray? Hmmm do I want a massive george foreman on top of my TV where I have the pleasure of paying $20-$30 for a single disk or download them for a fraction of that? Bringing out these expensive disks is only going to speed up the process of the extinction of dvds just like cds

at 1/20/2008 5:33:45 AM, john said:
I was just looking that up, why are they doing so badly? It looks like the better console, what happened to all the ps2 users? The figures for nintendo are unbelievable, they beat sony and xbox put together!!!

at 1/20/2008 11:53:33 AM, mathew said:
ps3 has more games,who getting online for free? who has a built in browser so we dont have to pay for downloads?its called envy the reason every one buys the 360 is the 270 price real gamers choose a system that does more than games if the ps3 only played games and thats it i wouldnt have bought one yes u have 18 million you also had a year head start well see in a couple years,by that time all 360 owners will run out and buy microsofts new system,me i want a system that has a 10= year life cycle

at 1/20/2008 12:40:20 PM, john said:
If nobody is buying the ps3 now when it's technology is relatively new why will they buy it in 5 when it's out of date let alone 10 years. Please expain?

at 1/20/2008 1:11:06 PM, shadowhawk1156 said:
I am an Xbox 360 owner if you can call it that..... I mean I will be again when I get my Xbox back from tx., were I sent it to be repaired after only owning it for about 6 mounts. This is the second time I red ringed... PS3 has almost all the same games as I have for my xbox that I get to look at on my game shelf collecting dust as I go into the second mounth of waiting for it to return. Oh, and I play cod4. Half the time the server can''t support the amount of people playing so you get booted or can''t even play!!!! I feel stupid for not having the patience to wait for the ps3, and not spending the extra money that would have bean so worth spending by now! If all that is better is xbox live, than I am no longer going to be a traitor to PS3 and do what Ishould have done in the first place. I''m selling my xbox360 with bioshock, cod4, marvelUA, fightnight round 3, forza 2,pirates, eragon, halo 2, Halo 3, oblivion, guitar hero 3, and viva piniata. with wireless controler, harddrive, wired controler, headset, all cables, inclooding Hd. All of it for 500 dollares, just enough for PS3 and 2 games. I Love to play it, but I still ply my ps2 that I have had for 4 years and never once had a problem with. I Would rather stick with a company who has always bean reliable for me. OF corse I can,t even sell the Xbox till I get it back. rbergin77@yahoo.com

at 1/20/2008 1:32:26 PM, mike said:
What a loser lol "my xbox red ringed again and LIVE is crap!" ps3 doesn't have the same games as xbox that's the problem!!!

at 1/20/2008 1:40:45 PM, shadowhawk1156 said:
yes they do, What''s diff, Halo? What a dissapointment!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU Take a look at the games they have now and you''ll see that most games have gone multi platform now. tha t coment holds no water anymore, and makes you sound like you haven''t done your home work.

at 1/20/2008 1:52:49 PM, mike said:
bioshock, halo 3, gears of war, forza 2, mass effect which have all been awarded 9 or 10 out of 10 by independant games bodies. I thinks it's you who didn't do his homework!

at 1/20/2008 1:57:02 PM, xbox-shadowhawk1156 said:
have you checked my profile yet?

at 1/20/2008 2:06:06 PM, sam said:
Grand theft auto will be a console seller and the episodes are exclusive to xbox. Sonys 3 million users compared to xbox's 18 million for a single game like that means xbox could easily afford another price cut! Even if metal gear solid sold to every ps3 user this would be considered a failure to xbox with their massive user base.

at 1/20/2008 5:58:59 PM, MrMe said:
What I think will do it for Sony in the long run (6-10 years) is blu-ray and I’m talking games not movies. I mean look at the size of it (50GB). When GTA5, six and seven come out. Or huge RPG’s, how many DVD’s will they have to go on? I mean in 7 years or so games will need more than what a DVD has to offer.

at 1/20/2008 6:19:13 PM, mathew said:
i agree you can get the same games on ps3 minus a couple, ive owned my ps3 for a year play it online everyday no red rings, no slow down online maybe before 360 lovers bash psn though should try it cause i no u like it better than live ive tried both on live you gotta pay to download movies music ps3 u do not i mean come on why go buy a dvd when u can download it for free? if u buy 2 dvd movies a month thats 40 dollars or get a ps3 and save 40bucks same with music and ps2 and ps1 games,that 3year warranty dont mean crap if u cant play on your system cause its gettin repaired, buy a ps3 you wont be disappionted!!!

at 1/20/2008 9:41:52 PM, Daz said:
I hate to break peoples heart here, but the PS3 has sold 9.2 million. Thats sold to customers, not shipped. So in half the time it has sold over half what the 360 has. It is also outselling the 360 every week since the holidays. It is gaining momentum and is closer to being a profitable console than the 360. M$ is losing money due to not only hardware cost but RROD issues as well. Sony has the game line-up this year that will sell double the amount of consoles the 360 will. By years end the PS3 will be within a couple million of the 360 if not slightly ahead. There are just too many features to contend with. BD movie playback, BD burning.....yes, we will be able to copy a BD and stream it to our PSPs. PS1 games on the PSP, location free via PSP. DVR service etc. etc. People can say the Sony fans are over defending all they like. The bottom line is that the Playstation brand has sold over 100 million consoles twice now. They are the only console to ever achieve this. The Wii may reach this point, but the 360 will never come close. The PS3 however will yet again sell 100 million as it will outlast both the Wii and the 360.

at 1/21/2008 12:21:37 AM, Gilgamesh said:
Why do I get the feeling that the posts in response to this article are the work of one insane Sony fanboy?

at 1/21/2008 4:07:09 AM, Techni said:
"Too bad the Toshiba/HD DVD camp refused to exploit the fact that burning HD DVD’s on standard DVD burners with inexpensive DVD-R/DVD-R DL is a great method to store/play video from an HD camcorder (namely the Sony HDR-HCx series). Blu-Ray does not have a competitive/economic solution to DVD burning and probably will not for quite some time." Actually Bluray does support that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluray#BD9_.2F_Mini-Blu-ray_Disc

at 1/21/2008 11:45:29 AM, msx said:
9.2 million?????Daz that's a big fat lie lol I urge people to look this stuff up and not listen to the lies of a fanboy. PS3 sold 2.56 million consoles 2007 worldwide.

at 1/21/2008 11:51:17 AM, 360 sucks money dung said:
regardless if a few key points on the xbox 360 were missed, the ps3 is still better than the 360. The game to console ratio means nothing only because the 360 has been out longer then the ps3. If you want to stick with old technology, play those xbox 360's on your old SD-TV's or CRT monitors. Oh yeah, for those xbos fans... go to craigs list and do a search on xbox 360 trades... a lot of those xbox owners are trading there setup for new ps3's.... lol

at 1/21/2008 1:30:16 PM, msx said:
Yeah lol 18 million compared to 3 million ps3 users I see what you mean....

at 1/22/2008 8:03:42 AM, stigzy said:
I have had 2 xbox 360's crap out on me through 3 red light error..its a shame ........ yes its all well and good with them giving 3years warranty.. but truth be told systems should last longer than that ..SURELY My ps3 has out lasted 2 x360's lots of games ......but let down by hardware faults... also the 10million count is way off.....as most people i know have bought 2 ....SUCKERS ( just like me :( )but i have now binned them ..ps3 is gonna GROW...just as blue ray will GROW..and what does the 360 use ....dual layer DVD ....wow ...thats progress....NOT guess they shouldnt have rushed it out..Even now i miss live ...but at least im playing and things are just gonna keep getting better for ps-network...HOME. is where the heart is !!! :)

at 1/22/2008 8:08:49 AM, stigzy said:
Gilgamesh .... wipes bills bum :P That was a silly comment xbot :P have fun whatever u use i say game on ...........

at 1/22/2008 9:22:45 AM, msx said:
Stigzy why would you be stupid enough to "bin" 2 consoles when they are replaced for free??? Obviously a sony fanboy talking crap. How is 10 million LIVE users way off?? With 18 million users you would expect that amount.

at 1/22/2008 2:36:17 PM, Just Me said:
I'm a xbox user... but we need to be more real... MSX.. did yo know that the ps3 sold 3 million of ps3 just in US right? not worldwide and that the 360 doesn't reach the 18 worldwide either... people like you is who make us look more stupid with fanboy comments

at 1/22/2008 7:36:13 PM, reality check said:
Blu-ray has won. point,blank,period. I am so tired of hearing how 360 is so much better than ps3. More games? Of course, it's been out a year longer. Great games? there is no denying that. Is it better? In my opinion, no. For those of you out there screaming about how great the 360 is, do you feel the same way during that 2-3 week period that you wait for your failed 360 to be returned from ms ? Do you feel that way when you send it out for repair the 2nd or sometimes 3rd time? Face it, Microsoft does alot of things right, but rushing the 360 into stores just to beat sony, bad move. Explain to everyone why some of you defend the 360 when it is painfully obvious that the most important thing to ms is not the total satisfaction of the consumer, but beating sony out of the gate. They knew the 360 was prone to failure but put it out there anyway. Hell even the new elite's are prone to failure.Ps3 could have released at the same time,but obviously chose to fix the overheating issues it was having instead of giving the masses a defective product. For all of the people out there who constantly scream that even multi-platform games are always better on 360, you are right. but prepare to eat those words. The problem was that the developers were not able to completley grasp the new technology that is ps3,and was porting from the 360 to the ps3. That's like placing honda accord engine in a corvette and expecting it to go just as fast as before. developers have now made the choice to port from the ps3 to "bring out the true potential in future titles" was on ign.com 3 weeks ago. live is better than psn. true. but i would perfer to keep my 50 bucks each month personally. Face it, ps3 is a year behind has less games, but is 2 generations ahead with innovation. By the middle of 2009 when 360 has reached it's limits, (it's almost there now 90%) and the ps3 is showing what it can do and then some, let's revisit this argument.Till then..... Let's play.

at 1/23/2008 3:33:55 AM, msx said:
Live is not "50 bucks each month" you retard. This overheating thing is all that ps3 fans ever have but I think the thing that annoys them most is that they can't understand why xbox users still choose xbox over ps3 and the simple fact is online play. I don't know why ps3 does not issue a free headset, in a game like cod4 the atmosphere is unbelievable for xbox compared to ps3

at 1/23/2008 6:58:15 AM, michael said:
I loved my ps2 and had 5 or 6 great years with it but choose the xbox over ps3 simply because of the great games xbox had especially when online. I think that's the way a lot of ps2 users went, the only thing that would have made me think twice would have been gta4 being exclusive. I always said if ps3 got some decent games I might trade my xbox in but now I would never dream of it. It's already broke on me also but like most xbox users I would never dream turning to ps3 just yet. sony are going to have to come up with the goods this year to bring a lot of their old users back who now own xbox. The only exclusive I'm going to really miss will be mgs4 but that's something I'm going to have to live with.

at 1/23/2008 9:00:34 AM, reality check said:
Wow msx, the only thing you seem capable of doing is name calling! You logged on at 3a.m. just to call me a retard? Overheating? Check more into what you are talking about. 360 isn''t just overheating, it is having a complete software failure that is causing it to overheat! What else would you expect from the makers of vista. Oh, and grow up please. I have a feeling that you wouldn''t do all this name calling if these folks were standing infront of you. But let me help you start your response to this,"sony fanboy....idiot...retard...xbox live...b.s.....stupid...ha ha ha... lol..." C''mon is that really called for? p.s. as for the headset argument, (which was pretty weak by the way) When you can use a bluetooth head set in which millions of people already have why would you add it? When "home" goes live this year, let me know what you think of ps3''s online then. Admit it, it''s going to be huge!

at 1/23/2008 10:44:52 AM, msx said:
Wow I better go buy a ps3 quickly! Thankfully I'm not american and not in your timezone but if I was up at that time I probably would still call you a retard for that 50 bucks a month comment it's hard to have a debate about something with a person with that level of ignorance. I've saw previews and I have to admit it will be pretty cool walking around talking to other users and all that but this is just a response to xbox's popular gamer tag system, the majority of people don't have headsets so it will suck balls having to type every convo. Xbox you just add their gamer tag and go into chat or chat to a friend on msn, or even video chat, simple as that.

at 1/23/2008 11:01:11 AM, msx said:
Also how can it have a complete software failure,??? Think before you spread your only ever comeback, software is the games lol and xbox definately don't have a problem there! I think you mean hardware and it is not "complete"??? If xbox is so crap why has it stole large numbers of ps2 users and got a 18 million fanbase???

at 1/23/2008 8:59:19 PM, reality check said:
msx , i''ve tried to keep this debate as civil as possible, but you just keep name calling huh? And the world says that Americans are ignorant and arrogant. Look, when you stop being closed minded and realize that there is more to life then hanging on Bill Gates nuts then maybe you will see that i said that 360 is better. For now. ps3 will end up being the better platform. And as for calling me a retard,it''s very mean. If you want to win me over why don''t you call me what you''re mom calls me, "DADDY LONG STROKE"! So please get of Microsoft''s nuts please! Besides, maybe Bill Gates''s wife would like to see more than the top of your head when she unzips his pants! Gotta go your mom is calling me again, guess she wants more huh son? Write what you want now , I won''t respond! p.s. Go get a girl you nerd! LOL!

at 1/23/2008 9:23:53 PM, reality check said:
OH, and sorry for the spelling mistakes msx, but you get the point.

at 1/24/2008 6:25:22 AM, msx said:
I can never figure out why the world think americans are ignorant??? I don''t want to win you over by the way, loudmouths like you aren''t wanted on LIVE.

at 1/24/2008 11:25:11 AM, reality check said:
It's loud mouths like me who created live buddy. Welcome to America!

at 1/24/2008 12:12:47 PM, msx said:
What does that even mean?

at 1/24/2008 1:06:34 PM, Strangis said:
WTF does Blu-Ray/HDDVD have to do with PS3/360? Most 360 games have room to spare on their DVD9 discs, so who cares? I feel bad for all those 500,000 standalone BR buyers who will have to upgrade nearly new hardware just to meet Sony's restrictive BR 2.0 spec.

at 1/24/2008 1:32:02 PM, WHEN THEY STOP MAKING PS2 said:
Global sales of the PS3 are at 8.5 million units, which falls far short of Sony''s 11m unit goal by end of fiscal year-March 08. PS3''s biggest competitor is the 7 year old PS2 which sold 10 million units in 2007 and 120 million since 2000. If/when Sony finally pulls the plug on the production of the PS2 the PS3 will gain all of those sales. This will send Microsoft sadly back to the SOFTWARE INDUSTRY. Microsoft lost 4 billion on the XBOX in round one. They''ve already logged 1 billion in losses for the 360 and has yet to turn a profit??

at 1/24/2008 1:42:58 PM, msx said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Bullsh*t Alert!!!!! Ps3 has not sold 8.5 million units. They have lowered their end of year prediction from 11 million to 8.5 but are still a long way off even achieving that. Type in "ps3 sales" in google news and you will see that this guy is talking crap! Also, why would they pull the plug on ps2 if it's selling better than ps3? Not going to happen.

at 1/25/2008 7:59:04 AM, WHEN THEY STOP MAKING PS2 said:
msx- you nit picked on the wrong statistic. How about the fact that Microsofts gaming division has now turned a profit for 2 straight quarters to the tune of 1/2 billion dollars. It''s also nice to see that they got their manufacturing process straightened out with the "Falcon" chip. I am not anti XBOX. With a 20 million installed base since 2001 they have achived some decent market saturation in a short time. But please refrain from claiming that the XBOX360 will "win" the "console war". You can''t tip toe around the fact that 100 million people bought PS1''s and 120 million bought PS2''s. The fact that PS2 sold more units than it''s 3x more advanced/expensive PS3 is pretty self explanitory. What''s impressive is that the 7 year old PS2 almost kept up with your 2 year old XBOX360. As the newer more advanced system gains some of it''s older siblings 220 million installed base as well as the full undivided attention from studios development teams. There will be a padigram shift in PS3 game developemnt(xbox''s biggest claim). Built in wireless internet, Blu-ray drive, 40Gig hard drive, PSP REMOTE PLAY, Soon to come HOME(which will rival xbox live). The 360 will not be the PS3''s competitor for long. Microsoft better be working on the 720.

at 1/25/2008 8:49:23 AM, msx said:
220 million ps3 users? Keep dreaming lol. I owned around 3 ps2's over the years and personally think no other console will match its success but I don't see your point? PS3 is a different console. It's trying to force a more expensive format into the market when people are already turning away from physical disks and downloading online It has no games and lost all but a few decent exclusives but no longer enough to sell a console mgs4 being a big exception. Xbox has gta4 episodes to compete with it anyway, one of the biggest franchises in the world.

at 1/30/2008 6:55:54 AM, WHEN THEY STOP MAKING PS2 said:
Msx- 7 out of the 8 major movie studios, Disney, Fox, Warner, Paramount, Sony, Lionsgate and MGM, have released movies in the Blu-ray format and 6 of them, Disney, Fox, Sony, Warner, Lionsgate and MGM, are releasing their movies exclusively in the Blu-ray format. The company’s that developed and support the technology are, Apple, Dell, Hitachi, HP, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson. You are correct that download will EVENTUALLY replace physical media. Blu-ray is dominating the physical market TODAY! Every single PS3 plays high definition Blu-ray discs, they all have built in wireless internet, they all have built in hard drives, they will surpass the (red ring of death) XBOX360 in total sales by mid 2009. Oh and when it comes to “direct downloads”. Sony just happens to be one of the world''s largest media conglomerates with revenue of $70.303 billion (as of 2007) Operations include Sony Pictures Entertainment, Sony BMG Music Entertainment. You see in 1989, Sony acquired the American film and television production company Columbia Pictures Entertainment, Inc. and expanded its growth on April 8, 2005, when a consortium led by Sony and its equity partners acquired the legendary Hollywood studio Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios, Inc. As of August 2004 they own 1/2 of SonyBMG inc. which owns the distribution rights of recording labels such as Arista Records, Columbia Records, Epic Records, J Records, RCA Victor Records, RCA Records, Legacy Recordings, Sonic Wave America, and others. So when Sony decides to offer the content THEY currently control through their own online Playstation store YOU ARE CORRECT it will be the demise of Blu-ray. And I’m spent……..

at 1/31/2008 10:15:35 AM, mathew said:
bluray won. ok trying to undrstand 360 owners so what their saying is that if you bought a car that broke down every month they give you a new one the same exact one and it continues to break down your going to keep it? thats fing retarded, if i buy something that breaks all the time i buy something better,keep getting you 360 replaced i still got the original ps3 i bought on day no problems just playin games, oh by the way rfom 2 will have 60 player deathmatch so were are all the multiplayer games for the 360 that have anything close to that?

at 3/8/2008 7:21:42 PM, cacaca said:
um.... yeah

at 5/13/2008 11:26:51 PM, joe said:
The 360 has more games because of XNA, Microsoft's cross platform development environment that allows a game programmer to quickly target the same content for both PC and console. Sony will never get close where this is concerned. Also, Microsoft has made huge strides providing a development environment for next to nothing (as low as free, with capability to develop for the console starting at $99...yes, $99). This will continue to impact the games available. Sony's entry point for their development tools has always been high. Microsoft recognized this and thus has more titles and will continue to have more. Also, the fact that Microsoft games can run on PC using the same compiler / dev environment is HUGE to a company developing games for a market that still prefers one or the other and sometimes both (there's money in there guys...$$...and that will impact the development environment). The fact that I can't watch HD DVD's on my 360 is a loss but Walmart had Toshiba HD DVD players for as low as $99. No matter...I don't watch movies on it. I play games on it. I find more pleasure watching movies with my regular player or through media center, or even (dare I say) Itunes, where I can take movies wherever I want to go with them. I have HD on the PC and that's fine for me. Means I can shuttle content from laptop to desktop (bedroom to living room) to the plane to wherever. Yes, HD lost, but Microsoft is not stupid and will not lose the console wars anytime soon. The impact of DirectX, XNA, and the option to retarget for PC is a BIG deal in the SW world...Don't downplay it.

at 7/24/2008 10:34:21 AM, Get over it. said:
You all need to get over the Console Wars! Personally I have a Wii as I like Super Mario Galaxy and the Wii Sports. But I'm not saying that it's the "Best" console. But for playing those 2 games it's the only option. I've considered a PS3 mostly for the Media end of it. But I decided to drop a drive in my PC and get a long cable (we'll see how that works out!). To watch HD movies on the big screen. I got a HD-DVD/BluRay combo drive for $150 so now I can play both formats and not have another console to mess with.

at 1/2/2009 8:46:31 AM, Joe Pete said:
It is about time for the PS3 and Blu-Ray to end this fight. The PS3 has far greater capabilities then the 360XBOX take it from owner of both. Sony has stated to stay in race and support PS# which should be reason to state clear winner. JPB ASHBURN

at 1/5/2009 6:59:56 AM, Robert said:
Interesting article from 1 year ago. But my my times have changed! Between the Wii ($250 and 4 people can play games), my Netflix Roku box ($99 and my kids can use it and feel empowered), plus my "old" upscaling DVD player and my "old" DTV which has been able to display free high def from an antenna (or cable if you have it), who the heck needs a PS3 or blue ray? In this economy, "full" high def or whatever you want to call it just doesn't cut it.

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