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Thursday, January 24, 2008

Israel goes electric, geothermal power and biofuels starving children

Jan 24 2008 7:30AM | Permalink |Comments (11) |


Three interesting “green” articles this week. This one describes how Israel will mandate a large electric car infrastructure. Another article talks about the potential to harvest energy just by drilling deep holes into the earth. The final article talks about the shortages and high prices for food worldwide caused by the government mandates for ethanol and other bio-fuels made from food and feed stocks like corn.

The Israeli program is certainly well meaning. And it is clear they get one thing right. They know that when wild-eyed US futurists talk about charging your car in a few minutes it is just a physical impossibility. I have already detailed how you would need 2000 amps and lethal voltages, as well as an electric utility substation at every “gas” station in order to do this, and that is predicated on a 5 or ten minutes of charge times. So the Israeli plan is to have cars that carry quickly replaceable battery packs that you just swap out at the ”gas” station. Pretty smart. But now do the volume calculation for the number of batteries that would hold the same amount of energy as a 5000-gallon underground gasoline tank. Each gas station needs to have a 10,000 square foot warehouse just to hold the batteries. Don’t believe me? Think I am a shill for the oil industry (I despise those pigs BTW)? OK, one gallon of gasoline has 132 MegaJoules of energy. So 5000 gallons in that underground stage tank at your local gas station has 658,800 MJ. Yes kids, that is 659 Giga-Joules right in your very own neighborhood Shell station. OK the common lithium cell is 25650 so that is 25mm by 65 mm and that is about 2.5 cubic inches. The RC airplane folks seem to have the only honest data, kudos to fellow engineer Sid Kauffman, Ph.D. for posting some very nice work he did regarding li-ion cell performance. So we see from Sid’s chart that the new A123 ferrite based lithium chemistry (E-Moli in Milwaukee tools and M1 in Dewalt) indeed does have smaller capacity that conventional lithium-polymer cells. This may be sobering to all of you that just read press releases about how A123 nano-technology makes the batteries more powerful. It does not. It allows the ferrite anode to have surface area and gives great high-discharge performance, but the big deal is that they are safer; they won’t go into thermal runaway. Anyway Sid shows the A123 cells have between 6500 and 9500 mWH capacity at a 10C discharge, which is great. Hey lets call it 10,000 mWH. So a joule is a watt-second. 10k mWH is 10 WH which is equal to 36,000 Wsec or 36 kiloJoules. 36k goes into 659 Gigs 18.3 million times. That’s a lot of battery cells to equal 5000 gallons of gas. About 318,000 cubic feet of them, or a 32,000 square foot warehouse stacked 10 feet high.

OK, OK, this is a rough calculation for sure. First off internal combustion engines are about 30% efficient. But high-current motor systems are not 100% efficient either. So you get maybe a 10% loss for electric propulsion. But diesel motors are 40% efficient. And I just calculated the size of the cells not the whole pack (yeah, I cubed off the round cells, sorry) but you can bet that when all is said and done the volume is still something like 10,000 square feet stacked 10 feet high. All that to get the same amount of energy storage that every gas station in America has stored safely underground. And you still have to have charging and swap-out stations and the like. No, the Israeli idea is well meaning, but impractical.

These “private-government partnerships” are getting to be more and more popular. Having the government mandate private investment has a name. Actually it has several names. Socialism is one name. Another name for this is fascism. But before these 20th century flavors came into being, there was mercantilism. That was the medieval system where government was seen as a servant of the rich and oppressor of the poor. It handed out favors to connected groups. The entire system was completely discredited in 1776 by Adam Smith when he published An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations. So you might think it is great to have the Israeli government tax its citizens and hand the money over to a bunch of politically connected professors and engineers. Heck, if the welfare queens in Chicago can be on the take, why not us technical people? But these government-mandated efforts almost always fail. They fail in Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela, they failed in France when they wanted to have a private internet and it will fail in Israel. If you like a system where the government taxes honest citizens and funnels you the cash, I suggest you move to one of the hundred third-world countries where this is common.

That is not to say that I do not think that government action could not help our infrastructure. If you just can’t help passing laws, then mandate that every US gas station offer both diesel and propane. A twenty word memo, and voila, our mobile energy needs will be solved for about 100 years.

Now, the article on geothermal energy was far more promising. One issue there, familiar to all the power generation engineers, is the problem with low heat differential. If you had to do steam tables in thermodynamics like I had to, you know that the bigger the temperature differential the easier it is to get useful energy. This is why there has been Sterling engines on the cover of Popular Science for 4 decades, and none in use. It is hard to get economically practical energy off a small temperature difference just like it is hard to make electricity from a dam that is 10 inches tall. Nevertheless, it is tantalizing to think we can just bore holes 6 miles down and make a boiler. It remains to be seen if this works out economically. The hardest thing for scientists and media and green-freaks to understand is that engineering is the intersection of science and economics. If it does not cost out, you are wasting capital and should be doing something else. And no, it does not make sense to have the government put in a few billion dollars “just to get things started”. If the technology cannot get started in the private sector it is most likely impractical or an out and out boondoggle.

The bio-fuel article in the third link above is just another tweak to all those people that got upset over my “electric cars kill babies” blog a few months ago. See, when you pass laws that force uneconomical resource allocation, you starve babies. Please let the engineers and businessmen decide how to solve problems, leave it out of the hands of the farm lobby and Archer Daniels Midland, the green equivalent of Halliburton. Once again, I do see a role for the government. We should stop propping up the price of grain, food, textiles and other goods artificially and let the world economy work. By artificiality putting up barriers to cheep cotton and grain the US explicitly and directly starves children. By allowing third-world countries to sell us cheap textiles we allow them a way out of poverty. By not artificially raising grain and food prices, we allow them a way out of starvation. I hope you feel good about pumping that ethanol into your tank today, I don’t.


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at 1/24/2008 11:25:32 AM, Meredith Poor said:
Rant-ah-2-e. Love it, actually. My solution to the electric car situation runs something like this: have thee old Econoline vans, each with solar cells covering the roof. 9 square meters, 9Kwh per day solar production, 30Kwh worth of batteries, and a 3-day charging cycle. Make a deal with commercial property managers: you'll park your van at the far end of the parking lot where it can soak up the rays. The van has a TV camera/digital camcorder so that anyone vadalaizing the property, etc. is recorded. You drive in with a discharged vehicle, park it, drive out with a charged one, and repeat in a 3 way round robin. If anything happens to the property, you make the tape/disk/flash available to the manager. I haven't asked anyone in the property business whether they'd agree to it, but it is a solution, after a fashion.



at 1/24/2008 12:28:47 PM, jfl said:
Regarding Israel plan, you did a big efficiency miscalculation. 250 days per year, I use my car for 92 km (~60miles?) then get back home. I don't need to exchange the batteries for all those days. I do on average 1 long trip per year, for about 1000 km, on the total of 30000 km per year, so I'd need to get to a exchange battery station only 3% of the time. Right now, when I want to move the car, I need to get gas 100% of the time. If you factor that into you computations, you need a 300 square feet station, 10 feet high, which is reasonable.

Also, the station can recharge the batteries continually. Maybe it takes 24 hours to recharge a battery? When is a gas tank recharged? every week? That's another factor of 7 you have to take into account.

My family owns 2 cars. On large trip, we always take one car: The other can work on electricity.



at 1/24/2008 12:31:02 PM, Steve Cahill said:
Just finished reading the food-as-fuel link. Interesting. In addition to being an RF design engineer, I have a midwestern USA corn-and-soybean farm business, and so have some experience with the facts. Such as: corn weighs 56lbs/bushel. Corn sells for $4.90/bushel, today on the Chicago Board of Trade. That's less than $0.09 per lb. So your $4/lb cereal box isn't driven in price by the corn in it. And, a fact, as opposed to a factoid: Pork production efficiency for the edible parts is about 4lbs of grain in for 1lb of meat out, not 8:1 as the CS Monitor article implies is relevant. Chicken & farmed fish production is significantly more efficient than 4:1, grain-fed cattle are a little worse, but not 8:1. Yes, we have a world-changing energy problem, and no, we can't burn our food in our SUV's, but the problem deserves honest, well-considered analysis.



at 1/24/2008 1:35:14 PM, bff said:
Gasoline has a lot of energy per gallon, but Electric motors are much more efficient than gas motors. I think gas engines are at least 4 times less efficient per MegaWatt of energy.



at 1/24/2008 1:59:10 PM, ArekZ said:
Hi "Kids"!
I think this is the most rubbish article I have read on EDN.
It is almost obvious that Israel does it to reduce their dependence from Arabic countries and I think it will work.
The author seems to be very conservative in his thinking and assumes that any new type of transportation will use the old style of fuel supply. He probably also assumes that the Israeli will drive Ford Ts but powered with electric motors. Perhaps people should ride electrically powered horses with carriages?!
How about not having fuel stations at all? Electricity is available almost everywhere hence does not need to be stored. One could imagine parking spaces with charging capabilities, at work or at a supermarket and the batteries would be topped up and you would be charged like for your mobile phone.
Can you imagine that you do not need to go to any fuel station at all?! Just drive your car.
Regarding the calculations. If one station holds 5000 gallons of fuels, this is probably enough for 10 American vehicles or 1000 European. :) Seriously, such a fuel station would be a charging station, not a battery store. Also if there was an infrastructure for charging whilst parking, going to a charging station would only be an exceptional event rather than a regular activity.
Actually I'd like to drive an electric vehicle and have no emissions on the road.
--Arek




at 1/24/2008 2:19:37 PM, Paul Rako said:
OK, the blog was provocative by intent, but the theory presented in the article was that you don''t have to recharge the car if you can just swap batteries. And all I did was look at the energy in gas versus the energy in batteries. And the reason I went from 30k sf to 10k sf was precisely because the gas engine is less efficient than an electric motor. And we have to assume that Americans, at least, will not decide to drive cars that weigh one forth as much, because they will insist on the same comfort, convenience and safety af a gasoline car and at a reasonable price. I will gladly yield to Mr. Cahill''s comments, he is a better position to know the truth than I as he is "in the trenches" so to speak. I thank him for his comments and it will be interesting to see if anyone can clarify the CSM statements. I do know that farm supports are bad for the economy and stand by may assertion that we would be better off as a society and planet without them, even if other countries keep theirs. And please don''t think badly of EDN because of my rants, this is a blog, not a formal article, and it is meant to opinionated and even wrong sometimes. That is why it is great having you folks chip in your opinions, thanks to all of you.



at 1/24/2008 3:02:56 PM, stiggle said:
Just because the batteries can be quickly changed out doesn't mean that they are not rechargable. The owner could recharge them at home in a few hours or over night, but has the option to quickly swap them out at a station or when in a hurry. And unlike a gas station, the battery swap station is continually refilling from the grid. So the number of charged spares needed on hand would not be so large...



at 1/25/2008 10:03:59 AM, Meredith Poor said:
Re: kids and food. Search IOGEN.CA. These are the people that make the enzymes for converting cellulose to ethanol. Search on "2,5-Dimethylfuran", in particular the Wikipedia article, on how 2,5-DMF would be made from plant matter, and it's relative effectiveness as a motor fuel. This particular molecule isn't far removed structurally from gasoline. At a conceptual level, ultraviolet light tends to be chemically active on carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen. Production of UV is getting progressively cheaper as UV LEDS become more powerful, both per watt and per nm (121.6nm vs 160nm vs 193nm vs 236nm). Exposing CO2 to 160nm UV breaks it down. Exposing methane to UV causes it to combine into longer chain hydrocarbons. These two taken together hint at a 'large hammer' solution to GHG and petroleum dependence.



at 1/25/2008 12:17:48 PM, David said:
Here''s a slightly more accurate calculation for maximum space necessary... Tesla Motors has gotten aproval for a 220 volt 70 amp "home charger", so we can use that as a bare minimum of what would be legal in a commercial charging station. Tesla uses a 53 KW/H Battery to drive aperformance vehicle to a 225 Mile range, so it would be conservative to assume that with a 25 KW/H battery one could travel 100 Miles (especially since the largest weight component in the car is the battery, and we are using half as much), we can further assume that one would not need more than 100 mile range if there is an infrastructure for refilling in a country that is 260 miles long from Lebanon to Egypt. A 220V 70A charger would charge 15.4 Kw/H per hour, so it would take 97 minutes to charge a 25 KW/H battery. So assuming it takes 10 minutes to "fill up" on new batteries, 10 batteries would be all that would be necessary to service one new car every 10 minutes 24 hours a day for ever. using your figures of 1 cell being 2.5 cubic inches and holding 10 W/H, one would need 2500 cells per batttery, at a size of 6250 cubic inches or 43.5 cubic feet. 10 of them would take up 435 cubic feet, or in a room with 10 foot ceiling, something slightly smaller than the size of normal bathroom. If you wanted a station that can handle 10 cars at a time, 24 hours a day, you would need a storage unit of 435 square feet... comprably sized to the little booth that gas stations with a food station use... it seems real estate will not be the greatest expense in this venture after all.



at 1/25/2008 12:20:56 PM, David said:
After posting my above comment I had a chance to read through the rest of the article... although I stand by my original post on the inacuracy of the authors calculations, and the feasability of storing all those batteries, I offer kudos on the rest of the article. From one free-market believer to another, I agree with almost every other word in the article.



at 1/25/2008 9:25:49 PM, Jeff Baker said:
Biofuels don't starve people - The high price of crude oil does, because that increases fuel and transportation costs, which drives food prices higher. All food prices are going higher. There's only 6 cents worth of corn in a box of corn flakes, and even a 50% increase would make it 9 cents worth of corn – Big Deal. You can easily see all around the world, that local crops like sorghum and cassava and yes even corn create fuel, food, fodder, and prosperity – not poverty and starvation. A recent UN report said the same thing. Only 1 out of 5 bushels of corn in the U.S. is used for ethanol, and half of that one bushel comes out as distillers grains livestock feed. Nobody starved last year because we diverted the starch from 10% of our corn (by weight). Livestock, dairy, poultry and fish consume a whopping 60% of the entire corn crop, so that Americans can eat a whole lot more than they actually need. If you want to feed the starving people, go on a diet, and send a meal or two overseas.

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