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Wednesday, March 11, 2009

Why does Maytag turn a recall into a data-mining opportunity?

Mar 11 2009 3:38PM | Permalink |Comments (26) |


First I saw a news item on how Maytag is recalling 1.6 million refrigerators. The article gave an 800 number to call to see if my refrigerator is being recalled. Now let’s get real, do you really expect me to endure the voice-mail hell that must occur when you tell 1.6 million people to call a single phone number? OK, I know better than that, so I go to Maytag’s website. I still feel pretty good about Maytag since they have that lonely repairman and my mom’s Maytag washer lasted 15 years. So it does not take too long to find the web page announcing the recall. I don’t see the little chart at the bottom, it is below the fold, as they say in the newspaper trade, which means “Off the screen” in web page terms. That chart gives the prefixes of the models affected. So I click on the link that says: “Check to see if your refrigerator is affected”. That sends me to a series of pages where I am asked for how I heard about it, my phone number, and then a page where I am supposed to enter my full address as well as my email address. Now I am getting a bit offended. I did not want to be data-mined; I wanted to know what refrigerators are going to burst into flames. I expected a list of serial numbers and all I am getting is a bunch of nosey questions. How about Maytag tells me what refrigerators are bad and then I will decide if I want to give them all my information?

Of course they have the typical corporate privacy policy. They say: “We practice responsible use of the information you share with us. Please read our Online Privacy Statement.” I guess it is a pretty good privacy policy as far as these things go. They say they will ask you to opt in for any information, but how many of us have been told that only to receive that big fat advertisement email with the little link at the bottom saying that they knew we would want to see this crap, and now do we want to opt out?

The real scare came from my buddy Dave Mathis, who is a bit of a security expert. See, first off, that privacy policy is just that, a policy, not a binding contract with force of law. So when Sleazy McSleaze gets promoted at Maytag, he can just change the policy and start spamming you. He can also sell the list, and believe me, a list of know good addresses, with emails and phone numbers is worth 10 to 40 dollars a name. If Maytag gets bought, like has already happened once, the new owners can do whatever they want with your information. The other thing is that Maytag just sort of promises to be careful with the information. But how many times have we seen laptops full of private data left on busses? And we know even banks are getting their networks hacked, so I would expect Maytag’s network to be a piece of cake. They sure don’t say they are storing our personal data with 1024-bit PGP encryption or anything.

Despite my reservations, I went through the degrading intrusive nosey pages, telling them where I lived and my phone number and email, since I really did not want my house to burn down. They said the model number and serial number was on a label on the inside of the fridge. I found a label there but it only had the model number, so under the serial number, I put “none”. I hit enter and get back the hallmark of incompetent software, a reply: “The system has encountered an error.… Click here to return to the main page and try again.” Notice the buffoon programmer did not say what was wrong, string parsing or type matching or what. It reminds me of the way Microsoft gives up on copying a big batch of files: “Oh, something is not as I expected with one of the 5404 files, so I give up on all of them and screw you”. These programmers must all go to the same school, or more likely gather at midnight in the same coven.

So then I get really ticked and figure maybe Maytag treats the government better than they treat us peons. So I go to the Consumer Products Safety Commission website. There it is pretty easy to find the recall, and the chart that show serial numbers and models is above the fold. Best of all, there was a picture that showed the label was in two places so I then found the serial number. It was easy to see my Maytag was not affected, maybe 30 seconds tops. Whew. I still am seething about Maytag’s having to get all my data before they tell me if the fridge was bad. If my serial number had a certain prefix I would have to call or use the Maytag website to find out if my particular model was affected. You would think they could just publish the range of serial numbers, but their lawyers must want to keep it secret.

How sad, that 1.6 million Maytags may burst into flame. They are blaming it on a vendor part, but I had one bad experience with my Maytag already and I guarantee you that the Cherry switch they used was good, it was the environment that they put that switch in that caused the failure. Well that lonely Maytag repairman won’t be so lonely anymore what with 1.6 million people to visit. I just get so sad when I see these great old brands destroyed by finance types that try to squeeze every last penny of cost out of the product so they can get that fat bonus and temporarily drive up the stock price. Then the lawyers try to cover the whole mess up.

I had a similar experience with Samsonite. Nobody my age can forget the Samsonite ads where a gorilla would toss around a piece of Samsonite luggage and it did not break. Based on that brand image I have bought two Samsonite computer bags. I had the strap break off one and the zipper split on the other. I hope the MBA’s were able to scrape the maximum amount of value off the brand identity before they destroyed it. For now I would prefer a generic Chinese brand to a famous American brand that is really Taiwan junk being re-sold by a bunch of slick marketing geeks. As the sign says in my tailor’s shop: “You remember low quality long after you forget about low price.”


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at 3/11/2009 4:00:56 PM, IRRITATED CONSUMER said:
well lucky ME, mine is one of them, aND AFTER A HALF HOUR ON HOLD i GOT TOLD I NEEDED SPECIAL HANDLING, THEN 1 1/2 HOURS LATER THEY DISCONNECTED ME AND THE CALL BACK NUMBER IS NOT RESPONDING...ALL DAY! I AM NOT IMPRESSED....



at 3/12/2009 2:30:54 PM, MartinM said:
Maytag as we used to know it ceased to exist some time agoe. It has been bought and sold a few times and is basically the same as any other brands now.
A few years ago I went to replace 20 year old Maytag dryer and found a large number of negative reports inclduing unresponsive service when I did a simple web search on the model I was looking at.



at 3/12/2009 2:34:23 PM, Poor-Maytag said:
Funny that you BLOG comes out today. I actually stumbled across the recall via a new electrical safety web site that my company has to register to here in Ontario. The part in question failed on me last year. It was the Murata motor starter located right on the compressor motor leads. I can tell you one thing that the area around the compressor was filled with massive amounts of dust bunnies. It would not be hard to imagine that a failure here would cause all the bunnies to go up in flames! The new part that I got is basically the same as the old one but this time it comes with a small cover that isolates the starter from all the dust and would probably keep the spark contained.

Our family also has a Maytag front load washer. This guy also failed on us as well. I believe that in the USA there was a recall on this machine. The failure here was in the wax motor that locks the door. Due to poor programming on Maytags part ( and proper failure mode testing ) a defective wax motor also takes out the main control board FET and microcontroller pin. All it would have taken would be to add a simple timout in the code and many repair dollars would saved by the consumer.

At this point due to the poor reliability of their products our family will not purchase another Maytag product again.



at 3/12/2009 3:23:26 PM, Happy with old Maytag said:
Back in 1989, my new wife and I purchased an expensive (at that time) $1,300 Maytag washer and dryer set. This was based on the fact that my parents had Maytags that performed for well over 20 years and in fact were given to my older sister who just recently replaced them. They were purchased in 1973. Up to this point, I have not had to replace anything except the light bulb in the dryer. We have raised four kids and washed and dried untold numbers of loads of laundry with those workhorses. And no amount of green guilting will get me to replace them with "newer, more energy and water efficient units". What B.S., an appliance that doesn't last five years is not green or efficient. The green storm troopers will have to come and pry these gold colored beauties out of my cold, stiff fingers. I can't say the same for the "new" Maytag. We purchased a new Maytag dishwasher about six years ago for $800. What a piece of excrement ($h!+). I've replaced both the main system board as well as the switch control panel in the door. It occasionally just refuses to work properly with no real indication of failure. Nobody seems to make good solid appliances anymore. They use so much plastic and other cheap shoddy materials that there is no quality left in them. Even Kitchenaid, the formerly undisputed leader in dishwashers has been neutered by the MBA disease. I'm very happy to pay big bucks for an appliance, but I don't want to have to buy one more than once every 20 years. Don't sell me a dishwasher that weighs 45 pounds. Sell me one that gives me a hernia when I try to move it. I'll buy that one.



at 3/12/2009 4:54:17 PM, Rochey said:
Just to play devils advocate... A recent white goods engineer I spoke to was complaining about how tight money was in that industry. When I asked why things were so tight, the reply I got was:
(forgive the paraphrase)

"people paid $800 for systems 20 years ago... and want better technology now, for the same price -- our market has not cost reduced like consumer electronics, and unit price hasn't increased along with inflation"

Tough spot to be in.

It kinda reminds me of that planet in "hitchikers guide to the galaxy" where they talk about some planet where the main commodity were shoes. Shoes became cheaper and cheaper, due to competition... at the cost of quality. In the end, the civilization died out, because none of them could walk very far with sores on their feet :)



at 3/12/2009 5:27:22 PM, Joe Gutts said:
Checked serial and model # online. Said it needed replacement and could make appointment online. They showed up on time and was replaced this afternoon. No complaints.



at 3/12/2009 10:52:38 PM, aztec69 said:
I hope your Maytag memory is better than your Samsonite one. It wasn't a Samsonite suitcase. It was an American Tourister product. Secondly, can you remember whether it was a real gorilla or a human inside a gorilla costume that was jumping up and down on the bag? Probably not. You can see the original ad video on YouTube if you like.



at 3/12/2009 11:43:16 PM, Tonto said:
I like your article. Full of truthful observations and comments on corporate 'customer service' practices. Your insinght on qualty vs short-term financial gains is to the point. In my view, this is the core of todays turbelence across economy & industries. Unfortunately it is the entire system that drives such malicious low-value-short-term-bonus-and-perks attitude on the side of the corporate stuff. Moreover, it looks we are more focused on curing the sympthoms than root cause which again in my view is the promise of quick growth over corporate letther by having created few slogan and nice slides plus mastering internal politics. One thing more is puzziling me, why there's been almost no critiques over this before the crisis hit?









at 3/13/2009 1:40:38 AM, mehoss said:
Learn how to fix your own appliances, you guys are electronics gurus. All repair manuals are on the web. Heck, I even started a bizniz doing this. Peice of cake compared to scoping out a PC board.



at 3/13/2009 6:47:40 AM, Bellhop said:
As much as I complain about the government, they are the place to go for recall info - quick and easy! It''s the only place to go for peanut info. I''m still running old washing machines, but the way that my water bills are going up, it''s becoming a trade-off between buying crap washers and wasting water. I have considered building a water recycling system for the washing machine - off the books, of course, since I''m sure it''s regulated out the wazoo.



at 3/13/2009 3:37:29 PM, Frank said:
But hey! Isn't this the wonderful 'free market' that's eventually going to solve everything for us? The corporate MBAs running the free market are just doing a such a bang up job, we don't want to regulate this beauty. Enjoy your global economy!







at 3/13/2009 7:44:16 PM, paul said:
I endured an hour on the phone yesterday trying to find out from Maytag if my frig was one of those recalled. They told me no.
Today the back of the frig burst into flame. The only reason the house did not go up in flames is bacause I was home at the time. These are really scary appliances.



at 3/14/2009 3:38:31 PM, Jeff said:
If any of you own the infamous Maytag Neptune front load washing machine with the faulty door latch wax motor see www.neptunehelp.com



at 3/16/2009 7:44:03 AM, Jay said:
I just gave away a Maytag dryer that I have owned and maintained for 25 years. DG-210 Good product. But several years ago I bought a Maytag refrig. Right after the warranty ended the circuit board that managed the defrost quit. Replaced it and 18 months later it went out again...must have a relay with underrated current contacts.

And one morning I woke to find a terrible smell and the plastic control panel front of the (Maytag) refrig melted. It seems the ice grinder in the door didn''t fully disengage which caused a relay to stick which burned out the drive transistor on the control board in the door which then shorted out to put full current on another relay and it got so hot this melted all the plastic stuff. I found that to repair a 4 year old refrig was gonna cost over $400 in parts alone. Conclusion: Maytag has gone to hell....and I am not following them.

And I do not like the fact that most appliances have moved to electronic controls. I lose too many things to lightning (Texas).

A circuit board in my three year old dryer when out and to replace it was $148 for the board. The only semiconductors on it consisted of a diode, an LM339 and and a small triac. I bought the LM339 and the triac for about $0.38 each and repaired the board.
But repair parts are a rip off.

Also, I suspect that some companies may be fraudulent in that a software timer elapses after 4-5 years and makes the micro no longer function...Then you have to pay to maintain the product.

So bring back the mechanical 60 Hz motor-timer stuff that runs for 15 years or more....



at 3/18/2009 12:35:18 PM, Len S. said:
Maytag did not do well in the transition from electromechanical to electronic controls. I too owned a Maytag Neptune. Besides the "wax motor" debacle, it also had a motor drive failure that, according to the tech that did the repair, was caused by a poor grounding arrangement. Though only the controller died, the controller board, the motor, and wiring harness had to be replaced to fix this.



at 4/14/2009 7:39:30 PM, grego said:
Ditto with Whirlpool. We have a washer & dryer set that have main board issues. Actually just the washer. The board has been replaced 3 times. We tried to get Lowes to swap out the washer because it had the same service 3 times but are getting a massive run around. Up to now we have not had to pay, but the warranty will be up soon and I just know the board will fail a week later...



at 4/20/2009 7:46:10 AM, Gary said:
We are now 3 weeks without receiving any satisfaction from MAYTAG after our fridge caught fire! The company ''customer service'' reps have been terrible.

Word of mouth is the best or worst advertising a company can have - can you guess which category my comments to the many people I meet will be.



at 5/26/2009 12:10:57 PM, sonja said:

I have had repair people out 5times for the same problem the warranty people don't seem to want to replace the ref. It doesn't cool or freeze. Who do I contact to get help?



at 6/1/2009 12:12:40 PM, Bob said:
I have been very disappointed in the decline of Maytag's quality. I've had issues with my refigerator and my washer. I purchased the extended warrently and it was a complete waste of money and time. There seems to be an endless list of reasons why an item is not covered under the extended warranty.




at 6/3/2009 9:05:07 AM, Gary said:

A lawyer named Bradley Leger in Houston, Texas represents individuals in fire cases nationwide, including cases involving Ford cruise control switch recalls and Maytag refrigerator recalls. He is an excellent trial lawyer that went above and beyond for me in my case. He is a senior partner at the law firm of Leger Adkins, LLP and can be reached at (713) 574-5558. Check out his profile at www.legeradkins.com. You can also email him at bleger@legeradkins.com.



at 6/11/2009 2:13:44 PM, Nicci said:
Has anyone had this problem.

My maytag refrigerator has a recall on the relay, the part that seems to be catching fire. This part broke last year and we had it fixed my a local repair company for several hundred dollars. When I got the recall paper this year, I called about a refund. Brad from the refund department told me the part they put on last year was the wrong part. I asked him what the correct part number was at that time. He said they didn't make it till 3/09.

I told Brad to think about what he just said and if it made any sense to him. How was I suppose to find a correct part a year ago that didn't exist till this year. He gave me a number to call for help. Brad gave me the same phone number of the repair paper I faxed to them for the refund. I asked to speak to a manager or supervisor and he said he was at the highest level. This is truly sad news, if this is all maytag has to offer. I will not be buying any of their products.

It seems (and I could be wrong)that all the numbers for this recall part all go to Whirlpool and then you get transferred around to maytag.



at 6/25/2009 9:51:27 AM, Richard Jones said:
I would advise to NEVER buy Maytag products. My fridge was part of the "relay switch" recall. Maytag outsourced their recall replacement(maytag mechanics were too busy fixing slot machines). After the new part was installed, the refridgerator section did not cool. The Maytag recall center has been running me around for 4 days. Neither Maytag or their mechanics, Nite Owl Refridgeraton, are accepting responsibility.



at 6/25/2009 9:10:07 PM, Mitch said:
My side-by-side Maytag refigerator just had an electrical failure that caused the unit to overheat. I was lucky that it did not cause a fire. After checking with Maytag and three representatives I was told that my unit was not included among the recalls. The symtoms were all similar to those involved in the recall. I submitted a report to the US Consumer Product Safety Commission. I didn't appreciate the runaround with Maytag and their failure to acknowledge that additional units could be effected. I won't purchase another Maytag product.



at 7/1/2009 6:30:29 PM, Mary B. said:
We have a Maytag that was recall and a week before I knew of the recall my side by side refrigator/ freezer went down ....... ruined everything and both sides were full ... I had the relay replaced and then I heard of the recall and called maytag to see what they were going to do to about making this right after have the repair and the food lost and they offered 25 dollars .. I told tghey that was an insult... no more maytags for me ..... I think I may contact our local tv station they may want to air this to help wise up the consumer as to how maytag has become..



at 7/14/2009 6:17:54 AM, Ann in Elk Grove said:
We had the refrigerator relay switch replaced on 7/8/09 because of recall and my refrigerator was not working at all on 7/9/09. Maytag sent another repairman out and it ended up costing us $286 to repair the "unrelated" breakdown. We're looking for others who have had same experience. Please contact me at annpieri@surewest.net if your refrigerator broke after the relay switch was replaced or if you are aware of a class action lawsuit against the Maytag Corporation for this situation. Thanks.



at 10/11/2009 8:45:09 AM, Harley1993Rider said:
My refrigerator worked fine until I had the relay replaced due to the recall. Now my refrigerator had gotten warmer and warmer after the repair which was unbeknown to me and I lost all my food. This is happening today, Saturday, less than 24 hours after the repair, and I cannot get my service person today. So needless to say…I am very disgusted with Maytag AGAIN. Funny how things work out…the same day my “Maytag” refrigerator repaired (so to speak) my Maytag Neptune washer was hauled out the other end of the house and replaced with an “LG” The Neptune was a time bomb waiting to explode too! I will never, ever, buy Maytag again. I have had the “Maytag” person out so many times to repair my stuff that he can put the van in “auto”!!!! And get to my address. While he was here yesterday the fan was not working either, of which apparently had never worked, because he remembered of my saying how hot the outside strip between the doors was hot. He said the fan was the cause of this, so the fan was replaced which is not under warranty even though that is a known problem too!!! Sure sucks to own a Maytag!!!!!!

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