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Monday, July 7, 2008

What’s really behind the Nvidia $150-$200M product-issue charge?

Jul 7 2008 11:17AM | Permalink |Email this|Comments (9) |


It’s a safe bet that Nvidia updated its fiscal Q2 2009 revenue expectations and announced a one-time $150 million to $200 million charge on Wednesday in the hopes of minimizing the bad press it would receive on the Independence Day holiday weekend here in the United States. Unfortunately for Nvidia, not only was its stock, NVDA, hammered on Thursday and sent it down some 30% to a new two-year-low close of $12.49, all the three-day weekend seems to have done is given analysts and GPU industry watchers time to question just what caused the fall from grace for Q1 darling Nvidia.

Specifically, Nvidia said it now expects Q2 revenue to be between $875 million and $950 million, down approximately 20% from its fiscal Q1 revenue of $1.15 billion and far off from the 5% sequential drop off expected by most financial analysts. The reasons behind the Q2 revenue downgrade are pretty apparent: Nvidia makes the biggest chunk of its money from GPUs for the desktop market, which is losing ground to the notebook market. The company is also facing significant pricing and technology competition from AMD’s ATI group, which is proving to be one of the few untarnished spots in AMD’s portfolio.

“Contrary to our earlier expectations and its previous track record, AMD has managed to ship substantial quantities of its new mid-end products into the channel shortly after product launch. Given the highly competitive pricing of AMD’s 4000 series products,
Nvidia has had to follow suit, which has contributed to the revenue shortfall. We now anticipate a challenging pricing/margin environment through fiscal Q3 2009 until Nvidia can fully migrate its own mid-end product line to the 55-nm manufacturing process,” Longbow Research Semiconductor Analyst Tayyib Shah said in a research note after lowering his rating on Nvidia from “buy” to “neutral.”

But what isn’t so apparent is what’s behind the one-time charge and product issue. All the Santa Clara-based company admitted to was that “certain” notebook configurations with GPUs and MCPs manufactured with a “certain die/packaging material set” are failing in the field at higher than normal rates.

Jen-Hsun Huang, Nvidia’s president and CEO, vaguely said in a statement last week that the failure appears to be related to the combination of the interaction between the chip material set and system design. He went on to state that the combination of limited thermal management and frequent power cycling is particularly challenging for complex processors like the GPU, but gave no real insight into the failure issue.

Speculation has spread across the industry with some suggesting Nvidia’s manufacturing partners are to blame. One rumor implies the failure issue is linked to the solder bumping process used by Nvidia’s foundry partners, which include industry leader TSMC. Another rumor hypothesizes that the problem is due to Nvidia’s PCB (printed circuit board) substrate suppliers. However, one has to wonder how, if the issue was on the end of a supplier or that of a manufacturer, we haven’t seen similar reports from competing companies in the semiconductor industry that work with TSMC and other Nvidia partners. Could it simply be that the failure issue was on Nvidia’s end? And if so, will the company properly own up to that?

Don’t look for Nvidia to share specifics until it has to face the analyst and press communities on its Q2 call, set for August 12. It certainly didn’t help Nvidia’s stock that the company failed to hold a conference call after its Q2 update Wednesday, blocking questions at this point. That’s never a good sign for Wall Street and the stock continued to sink this morning, dipping to $11.94 at 12:50pm eastern today.

Meanwhile, whatever the exact product issue is, it’s just in time to put a dent in Nvidia’s GPU notebook share as we move into the back-to-school and holiday-shopping PC seasons.

What do you think? Share your thoughts on what caused the Nvidia product issue or on the company's stock slide below.

--Suzanne Deffree, Managing Editor, News


Reader Comments



at 7/7/2008 1:12:52 PM, Mike said:
Who knows what the real issue is, but did AMD stock get hammered as much when they finally owned up to their TLB bug in Barcelona? nVidia at least acknowledged the issue quickly. How long did it take AMD to acknowledge Barcelona had a problem?



at 7/7/2008 2:43:15 PM, FudgePckR said:
Can you say accounting tricks? Stuff some cash into your pocket as "one-time write-off" then next quarter, wha-la! We're back in business!



at 7/7/2008 7:14:56 PM, PILL nutz said:
I hope they come back strong,....They owned up to their errors, as one should, and will bounce back to profitability by q1 ''09.They make well respcted products..remember BLue Ray ??



at 7/8/2008 11:54:51 AM, thermalman said:
Could the issue be design? Mr Softee's Xbox had a similar problem (i.e. thermal reliability issues)to the tune of a recall costing over 1 BILLION dollars. You can cook lunch on the heat generated by these processors. You MUST design the die AND package AND board together to ensure reliablity.



at 7/9/2008 3:51:07 PM, PkgEng said:
Both the XBOX360 and nVidia use TSMC die and TSMC recommended packaging (including underfill) -- that's a pretty solid consistency between the 2 problems.



at 8/20/2008 2:10:40 PM, None said:
Who is the assembler? Anyone knows the specific issue? If it is the bump, is it high lead or eutectic? Does it have polyimide between teh die and underfill to relieve the stress?



at 9/11/2008 2:46:21 PM, Smarter than Mike said:
Nvidia has been selling defective chips for many months and the worse part is that they KNEW about it. I paid over $1000 for a laptop with one such crappy chips and I truthfully offended. Mike, AMD recognized the Barcelona Bug IMMEDIATELY, what the F are you talking about? They could have sold Barcelona with the Bios fix without talking about faults and no one would have known about it. But they did everything right, admitted their fault and took the hit, even stopping sales to the public until the problem was fixed. Their honesty could have cost them even their existence, but that is what I like about them. I hate idiots who want to manipulate stocks for their own gain. Why did you even bring AMD into the picture, the article is about NVIDIA and how they screwed people like me. I love AMDs attitude always. They do not spread crap about others like INTEL does, or play those dirty games. If AMD leave the building you will be happy because you obviously own stock of the sinking sticking nvidia corp, but most of the people will suffer. Intel will have us for breakfast, selling their CPUs at whatever prices they want. And who knows if we would see any serious development without a great competitor like AMD... who has lead the tech advances from 64bit, integrated memory controllers and much more Be honest: next time just write "I wish AMD goes down so I can be rich, and I don't care if all of you end up worse as long as that happens for me". Screw you!



at 9/11/2008 6:47:13 PM, hightech.man said:
Could it be that Mr. Huang sold his shares over the weeks prior to the disclosure?



at 10/1/2008 5:17:29 PM, 8600m GT user said:
I personally have a 8600m gt 512 gpu in my laptop and there are Large amounts of complains about these 8x00 cards being described as ticking time-bombs. As for myself, I'm waiting for a recall. engadget.com/2008/07/31/figuring-out-which-nvidia-gpus-are-defective-its-a-lot/3#comments There are plenty more discussions happening in apple forums, dell, and HP as well. Just a matter of time before its announced. Also its not just the notebooks effected. The desktop variants of the 8x00 card has the same chipsets, they don't have as extreme heat cycles as laptops do. tick tick tick...

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