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Monday, March 9, 2009

Canceling Sirius: So Frustrating, It's Making Me Delirious

Mar 9 2009 11:32AM | Permalink |Comments (84) |


Tough economic times understandably encourage subscription service companies to do their utmost to hold onto customers. Sometimes they do this by making the service too tempting to discard; free months, free extras etc. And sometimes, unfortunately, they do this by making the cancellation too difficult to accomplish. America Online has gotten into plenty of legal trouble in recent years for such despicable behavior. And, if my experience and that of other frustrated online activists is indicative of a general trend, beleaguered Sirius Satellite Radio (still with a pulse, albeit faint) is due for some regulatory attention, too.

I've been a Sirius subscriber since October of 2004, but to date I haven't listened to the service much in my car...in no small part because as a home-based worker, I don't have a daily office commute. Conversely, I've historically made regular use of the Sirius Online streaming service, which in its base 32 kbps configuration was originally included with Sirius subscriptions. However, in early February I received the following email:

whose message was echoed in pop-up windows that appear each time I launch the browser-based Sirius Online player:

Some background: the premium 128 Kbps Sirius Online variant costs an incremental $2.99 per month. As of March 11, Sirius is dropping the 'free' base 32 Kbps offering, as a revenue-boosting opportunity, but if I was willing to renew early (my yearly subscription usually renews on March 27) I'd be able to retain 32 Kbps streaming through the renewal period:

Frankly, I've been listening to Sirius Online less and less with the passage of time. I've got a formidable library of network-stored music ripped from the CDs I own. My Microsoft Zune subscription streaming-and-download service (which includes 128 different online streamed channels) provides additional music content. And there are plenty of other low-to-no cost (i.e. advertising-supported) online streamed music sources around, such as Pandora. Anyway, I have little confidence that Sirius will still be a viable business entity a year from now, far from two or three. So this morning I decided to just go ahead and cancel my Sirius service, in advance of Wednesday's Online cut-off.

Barrier #1: no online or email service cancellation (or, for that matter, even auto-renewal cancellation) option. Check out Products and Services FAQ #12:

If you would like to cancel your service, please contact our Customer Care center at 1.888.539.SIRIUS (7474).

Barrier #2: Lengthy delays, coupled with disconnects. Both times I tried calling the above number this morning, after navigating the Byzantine automated menu system, I waited on hold for more than a half hour only to have my connection subsequently terminated by the other end of the line.

Barrier #3: Iterative, teeth-grinding 'support' redirection. According to this discussion thread, even if I had gotten through to a human being on the above number, I would have just been told to dial a different number (866-527-6040). So, for my third cancellation attempt, I tried this alternative number instead. After another half hour-plus wait, I actually reached someone this time. However, after providing my name, phone number, mailing address and email address, followed by several firm 'I want to cancel my service' statements in response to attempt to persuade me otherwise...I was put on hold again.

10 minutes later, a different person got on the phone. Again, I was asked for my name, phone number, mailing address and email address, and again I was asked several times if I was sure I wanted to cancel my service. Eventually (supposedly...we'll see if a renewal charge still magically appears on my credit card bill at month-end), the cancellation went through. But it was effective on my March 27 renewal date, not today; the 'customer support' person claimed that she was unable to process an early termination request. That's BS, I suspect, but after enduring a multi-hour cancellation process so far, I wasn't motivated to suffer even more delay and frustration just for a two-plus-week credit.

Today's experience bolsters my conviction that Sirius is in a fiscal last-gasp situation. Even though other folks in my shoes might have given up, thereby allowing Sirius to retain subscribers in the short term, the company's behavior will only do further harm to its long-term viability. It's reminiscent of (albeit far more egregious than) those Internet 'companies' who sign my email address up for newsletters, promotional messages, etc and/or refuse to honor my unsubscribe requests. But when the short term looks so grim, I guess a company like Sirius doesn't have the luxury of caring about the long term. Caveat emptor, folks.


Reader Comments



at 3/9/2009 11:51:22 AM, tissue said:
WAH



at 3/9/2009 12:00:15 PM, joe said:
it is overpriced anyway



at 3/9/2009 12:12:30 PM, sure, Chuck! said:
You are truly an idiot! Hurry before the go under and take you with them...fool!



at 3/9/2009 12:28:33 PM, Mike said:
OMG.....What a disaster! Maybe the you should write a letter to the President of the United States, better yet get him on the phone,it's ok don't worry if he's busy with NATO or Iraq, you must get the attention you want on this matter NOW! You are seeking attention are you not?
Sir I suggest you make some friends fast, I'm sorry to say you sound like the type of guy who complains about everything no matter what the case may be.



at 3/9/2009 12:37:00 PM, MikeS said:
This begs for very simple legislation. "The cancellation process has to be exactly as simple as the subscription process". No extra steps, no different process, no crap like this.



at 3/9/2009 12:37:27 PM, Bill VanHuron said:
You, my friend, are a tool.



at 3/9/2009 12:49:55 PM, Ralph said:
That really sucks. BUT are you sure you didn't dial the IRS or your local UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICE. Maybe you got your states DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES.



at 3/9/2009 12:52:01 PM, Jordan said:
What a fool, what the hell does that have to do with anything



at 3/9/2009 12:52:08 PM, Mark said:
SIRI is a winner and will be around to satisfy their audience for a long time.
It's unique and nothing comes close. Today my stock portfolio is tanking in everyway but I've made more money than last Friday because SIRI is up and at these prices - it's a steal. Gets some courage - the stock rocks.



at 3/9/2009 1:03:58 PM, JAS said:
I think your agenda is publicity for "Pandora" free radio. I don't know any online pay service that doesn't make it difficult for you to cancel thier services. They want you to call them so they can offer you value. this is the same for cable TV and credit cards, try to cancel your cable and see what freebees they give your or cancel your credit card (if your not stiff) and see how fast they drop your rate.
Get a grip and suck it up mammas boy.



at 3/9/2009 1:10:03 PM, JAS said:
OH,as an after thought I just wanted to let you know how you can save yourself a couple of thousands of dollars on your next car purchase. YOU CAN NEGOTIATE with them too.
BUY SIRI stock it will go back to the $1.00 mark soon, they are out of the heat for the next year.



at 3/9/2009 1:13:02 PM, PTE6000 said:
"I have little confidence that Sirius will still be a viable business entity a year from now, far from two or three."

This from the only man on earth dumb enough to buy a ZUNE!

Sirius is Fine, I've cancelled units before when we trade or sell a car. No big deal.



at 3/9/2009 1:16:27 PM, Gary Bonura said:
Have you cashed your payola check from Clear Channel yet? Because everyone knows you're just a loser they paid to further manipulate this company. You guys make me sick.



at 3/9/2009 1:23:30 PM, OMG said:
You are hopeless!



at 3/9/2009 1:32:42 PM, Chang said:
By looking at your picture, I can clearly see your personality ..... nothing but complain. I feel sorry for your wife or girl frend.



at 3/9/2009 1:39:58 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear Chang, yes the big smile on my face is indicative of a constant complainer. Snort...



at 3/9/2009 1:43:07 PM, JS said:
This isn't news. Plenty of companies do that. Why pick on Sirius? Their stock is going up. They are making some good changes, such as 'Mandatory Metallica' and 'Oprah Radio.' Why try to drive the stocks lower just to vent and make yourself feel better? Vent to your dog, write about important things, and some optimism would be nice.



at 3/9/2009 1:45:56 PM, Anastasia said:
I hope they do not pay this guy!!



at 3/9/2009 2:10:21 PM, notstupidlikeyou said:
why did you have to cancel immediately before the deadline to renew early to obtain the free online?
don't you think that there is an extra load of people subscribing at the present time?
this smells of NAB all over it.



at 3/9/2009 2:18:15 PM, wow said:
these comments are horrible.

sirius just changed the TOS to deny anyone from developing an application to listen online. nicemac got shut down, and the rest are following along shortly.


enjoy it while you can, cause sirius wont last much longer





at 3/9/2009 2:31:01 PM, Mark said:
SIRI will be around a long time. Buy low - sell high.
This is how the wealthy make millions. You can now buy
the stock at such a steal that in a couple of years - you'll be glad you did. Remember when everone sold their tech stock? It wasn't that long ago that brokers and even the public was saying tech stock will never come back! HA!



at 3/9/2009 2:33:37 PM, gousa said:
Not for nothing, but certain things are hard to get out of once your in. I got a price discount and extra channels when I tried to cancel my cable, you can't blame them for trying to keep their subs, "that's there business". Radio is free if you like listening to crap, I'm sure given some time you'll realize what a great value sat/rad is, around 40cents a day, come on, you can't even get a cup of coffee for that anymore, there is always a price to pay for great content, would you be happy just having broadcast T.V. also.



at 3/9/2009 2:46:29 PM, rawdawg said:
Yep, I think that guy nailed it when he mentioned Clear Channel, the evil radio empire...



at 3/9/2009 2:54:36 PM, Doug said:
You wasted a lot of "wait" time for a very small credit. All you had to do was not renew your subscription. I bought their stock today because we love their programing and know they will be successful. Long on SIRI



at 3/9/2009 2:57:26 PM, CHECK YOUR FACTS FIRST said:
You really should do your homework and research first. I haven't tried to cancel siriusxm service so taking you at your word for the procedure you went through to cancel your service I would say to you almost if not every service requires a direct contact to cancel for the sole reason to have an attempt to change your mind. This by finding out why you want to cancel(so as to find if there is a common problem or customer service problem) and maybe offer a special rate or free service credit or something of the nature to keep you as a customer. I would say any company that didn't want to have a direct conatct with you when they are about to lose your business is one to be worried about. So quit picking on one single company for doing something most if not all companies do!!!! Or maybe you were only calling trying to get some freebies and they didn't offer you as much as you were trying to get!!or maybe just to get info for your article. Sirius XM will survive and continually improve and work toward cash free status and probably work out package deals with the newly joined direct tv.



at 3/9/2009 3:00:17 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear Doug, Sirius subscriptions are auto-renew until explicitly canceled by the subscriber. In order to not renew, i.e. to cancel, I had to go through this morning's painful procedure. And by the way, as mentioned in my writeup, I did NOT get my two weeks' credit; my cancellation is effective on March 27 when my subscription was set to renew.



at 3/9/2009 3:02:58 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear CHECK YOUR FACTS FIRST (and others), ridiculously long hold times aside, are you implying that it's acceptable for a company to repeatedly HANG UP on folks attempting to cancel their subscriptions, in order to prevent them from doing so? Or did you overlook that aspect of my story?



at 3/9/2009 3:12:45 PM, Biff said:
What exactly was the point of your story because all I got from it was you think it sucks to pay $2.95 for internet radio for shows like Howard, O&A, Opr,Martha and dozens of other great entertaining stations. One of the other comments noted that broadcast TV was free too, do you pay for TV or only free TV? Do you buy good cloths or walmart, do you buy chuck or ribeye. Come on we all know you are just trying to keep the stock down so you can buy up as much as you can each week before it breaks up again.



at 3/9/2009 3:13:37 PM, Anastasia said:
Well it sounds like the service is typical i had the same problem with at&t so maybe everyone should jump ship with them too?



at 3/9/2009 3:14:23 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear notstupidlikeyou (and others), I waited until today to cancel simply because I was waffling about whether or not to do so. I've enjoyed Area, Jam_ON and the Grateful Dead Channel but, as it turns out, not enough to justify $140+ for another year's worth. And attempting to harm someone's reputation just because you don't agree with their opinion is childish, among other adjectives. See www.edn.com/blog/400000040/post/1850035185.html. And grow up.



at 3/9/2009 3:15:50 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear Biff (and others), Journalistic ethics preclude me from personally investing in any tech companies (either in the hopes that they'll increase OR decrease in value); I've avoided doing so throughout my EDN career.



at 3/9/2009 3:31:45 PM, yeayea said:
[obscenity removed]



at 3/9/2009 3:38:52 PM, Biff said:
Ok, Brian but can you really tell me that you think $140 a year is too much. How much did it cost you to fill your car up last summer, I know I was dropping close to $80 and I own a new Accord. We don't live in 1975 when that was a lot of money.



at 3/9/2009 3:41:30 PM, howard stern said:
[obscenity removed]



at 3/9/2009 3:43:33 PM, howard stern said:
i'll only ask for 50% on the year on a year to year basis



at 3/9/2009 3:49:48 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear Biff, I barely drive, and when I do, I've got abundant owned-and-subscription (Zune) music to alternatively listen to. I'm not at all saying that my situation is applicable to everyone. But for me, paying $140+ per year for little more than three 32 Kbps Internet streams that I rarely tap into didn't make fiscal sense, especially in these tight times.



at 3/9/2009 3:57:20 PM, Brian Diperts An Idiot said:
Fool!!!!



at 3/9/2009 4:12:36 PM, Love Sirius said:
I just renewed for 3 more years, got 9 months free and 3 years of on-line streaming. Take that to the bank!!!



at 3/9/2009 4:55:08 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear Love Sirius, I wish you the best of luck with the chance you took.



at 3/9/2009 5:09:15 PM, Bob said:
I just canceled my service. I'm Howard Stern fan who now commutes 10 minutes instead of an hour. With two kids under 5, I just can't listen anymore. I called the other morning and got through in a few minutes. I explained the above to the woman and she laughed. I was put on hold for about two minutes (the amount of time I'll bet the article writer actually had to wait) and then given a full refund. While I don't have to pay, my account was only put on hold so if i want to reactivate in the next six months, it won't cost me any more. I don't see the problem.



at 3/9/2009 5:36:58 PM, Check your FACTS said:
I don''t know if they were hanging up on you or not and I doubt you could say or prove for definate if they were or not either. I would say with the cut off date to renew or cancel or just continue with current contract agreement approaching soon from gawd knows how many of the over 19 million subscribers that the lines are probably pretty busy and jammed pack. Or did you not think about that? Not to mention all of the money saving cut backs on employees that some people are probably doing job duties they aren''t familiar with or experienced to doing. Also maybe the customer service people are given a vague description of what is expected of them to try and change your mind and everyone is different and maybe be going overboard even by the company standards. Maybe their job is hanging in the wind and they are afraid of losing it to someone who retains more customers. I would suggest you being an editor,do more research on the situation and not base the whole article on one persons experience and a biased opinion at that,yours. I would also figure if this was and I say was a practice of a company then there are actions of recourse such as sending a written registered letters to both corporate head quarters and billing/subscription departments. If you got renewed and billed any how after that then there is the option to file a dispute with the credit card company as well as sending them a copy of the registered letter and signature cards signed by the individuals at the company who signed for them. If the pratices are truely to your extreme with everyone then it should be addressed but you don''t know that nor do you have proof of that just one biased experience of your own. Oh and by the way I don''t think you are going to find many if any at all yearly or multi yearly contracts with any company or service that is going to cancel you early and refund your money and some like cell phone contacts charge you and early termination fee which sirius did not,just something else to think about.



at 3/9/2009 6:27:44 PM, Blowfly said:
"I just renewed for 3 more years, got 9 months free and 3 years of on-line streaming. Take that to the bank"

I too did a little bargaining with these guys on my last renewal. there sure are alot of pussies on this site. All you assbags do is complain



at 3/9/2009 6:32:42 PM, gousa said:
WOW, a lot of comments, great to see so many sirius fans out there. I also forgot to mention that I had to cancel my extra sub after my portable sat/rad was stolen(may that person rot in hell), I had no problem, they put my second sub on hold in case my radio reappears(no luck, it's been a while now), anyway, I think you were being a little hard on sirius there Brian, I'll bet you a lot of co's are cutting back on customer service in these times, at least you didn't get anybody in a foriegn country like I did when citibank couldn't account for a large chunk of my funds, I got nothing against foriegn countries, but, trying to explain something to a person with limited language capabilities on the other side of the planet can drive you nuts, I finally told him to transfer me to someone in the U.S. of A and my problem was resolved fairly quickly(rather than bashing citi, my problem was solved,that's all I could ask for). Although I understand your frustration, to kick a co when it's already on its knees is kind of cruel and really uncalled for, I'm sure you can find tons of other stuff to write about, like how our cell phone bills are littered with taxes and surcharges and anything else they can find to throw in there, among other unfair charges.



at 3/9/2009 6:35:01 PM, Elmojuice said:
Howard is only going to do 13 more months and then retire. That will be the end of Sirius. Bah Bah Bowieee.



at 3/9/2009 6:41:11 PM, Howard fan said:
Hey Elmo, how do you know Howard is out in 13 months?



at 3/9/2009 6:43:44 PM, Elmojuice said:
I went to high school with Howard's hair stylist Ralph and I talk to him all the time. He says Howard is going to retire in 13 months and that is that.



at 3/10/2009 2:26:47 AM, Mark said:
As much as peo love Howard (me included) it will be a huge savings to SIRI - huge.
And that leaves about a hundred stations of pure joy,
70's, 80's, opera, Oprah, debates, games, you name it.
There is nothing like Satellite radio out there and millions of people love it - and let's face it - how many times do you want to pay 99 cents for a song (it adds up)
and no matter what - it you don't have SIRI - you lose on driving pleasure and the stock that will make you money in a couple of years -
it amazes me that peo. panic and think short term. Hang tough!



at 3/10/2009 7:42:34 AM, RegularReader said:
Dear Brian, it is probable that few of the comments above were posted by regular EDN readers. Based on the patterns of topics, the word usage, names, and number of posts, most of the comments are likely associated with people who have a financial interest in Siri and perform internet searches to post comments and drive Siri stock prices up. Don''t let the negative comments bother you, and I would recommend not even bothering to respond to them. Thanks for the good work you do.



at 3/10/2009 8:18:30 AM, Stock Watcher said:
I think your right on the money RegularReader.I don't want the stock to drop because short tempered hot heads cant make a phone call to terminate services they don't want. This trash was posted as a stock watch and should be removed because as you can plainly see it fails to meet any object other than trash SIRI with no proof and many readers and comments say they have no problem ending services. As a writer Brian is in somewhat a postion of power and can add to or reduce consumers and investors fears his wimpering doesn't help and shows he has little people skills other than to complain.



at 3/10/2009 9:16:19 AM, Elmo is in idiot said:
Hey Elmo, Howard has been going to quit for 20 years, it is part of his game. He wants to have people beg him to stay because he is the king of all media. Get with the program.



at 3/10/2009 9:18:27 AM, LesK said:
Dear Brian, please keep doing a great job on this blog. It's clear that many of the comments are from a different community than EDN. I too find your Sirius experience unacceptable. It appears I was fortunate to have never signed up for Sirius or XM and will pass the experience on to others. I had a similar termination problem with AOL and another ISP before I moved on to DSL a while back. This kind of behavior will likely translate to its demise in the current economy.



at 3/10/2009 9:38:52 AM, JS said:
I do not and have never performed internet searches to post comments to try to drive stock prices up. It''s just a comment, who actually thinks that one comment could affect the stock? It''s the negativity and the obviously biased opinion of the article and writer, if anything, that would drive the stock down. I agree with gousa, why kick a company when they are down? There was obviously something good about it, or else you would not have subscribed in the first place. I had Cingular overcharge me 8 out of 12 months, and every month I had to call in, wait on hold, and talk to numerous people to try and get my bill fixed. I couldn''t cancel because of the early termination fee. At least you only had to wait two weeks. Obviously there are people who see value in Sirius, based on the comments to your article. I agree people shouldn''t attack you personally, but I also think that as a writer you should check your facts better, or people aren''t going to read your articles.



at 3/10/2009 1:49:21 PM, Dont be a Cry baby said:
what does this story have to do with electronic deisgn, The parent company of ECN is no better, they sell your contact information to anyone willing to pay and it is impossible to get these people from India to stop calling you for information. Ever notice when you give this company your fax number you start to get loads of crap faxes.



at 3/10/2009 2:05:56 PM, John F said:
Brian, Wow! I wonder why Sirius brings out this level of reaction but the digital TV stuff didn't. There must be a lot of passion out there on that as well, shouldn't there be?
Uh, you whining idiot. (That appears to be the form; I think I got it right. I don't speak comment too well)



at 3/10/2009 2:07:10 PM, I agree with LesK said:
Wow, touched a nerve among the Siri faithful (?) and more likely paid shills or people who have a stake in the business. I can appreciate exactly the pain that Brian experienced because I too was a victim of AOL's stalling tactics when we no longer needed them (because of broadband). Basically in terms of Siri, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck . . . . For all you folks who don't think $140 is much money, please feel free to forward your $140 to my post office box at . . . .



at 3/10/2009 2:11:58 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear John F, What I think you're seeing here is a combination of users who've made significant hardware (like me, ironically) and multi-year contract investments in the service, along with folks who've made significant stock investments in the company (in some cases, the same folks). They're desperately watching their investments slip away, and they're therefore attacking anyone and everyone who might feed that trend, regardless of the validity of what's said. Bottom line: an ugly side of human nature. Regards, "the whining idiot"



at 3/10/2009 2:16:36 PM, Another fool said:
I got a years free service on Sirius when I bought my car three years ago, but apparently the dealer forgot to tell Sirius. It wouldn't have been a big deal except for the run around I got from Sirius customer support and admin dept. After a year of double and tripple billings we finally just cancled it all and swore we would never again deal with a company that can't even keep track of their accounts. It only took us 3 months and many phone calls and finally informing our credit card company to not honor any more charges from Sirius to cancel it.



at 3/10/2009 2:40:28 PM, Anyone said:
All service providers make it very difficult to canel your service. We have all had similar experiences with cell phone, cable and magazine companies.

Your experience may have been a little more difficult than "normal". How do you know? I would have obtained a larger sample size (>1) before writing something like this.



at 3/10/2009 3:55:36 PM, Bunch of losers posting comments here .. said:
Man, I can't believe all the Sirius/XM fanboys posting here! I find Brian's experience absolutely appalling. S/XM should be doing what they can to *improve* customer service, not treating a customer like this. I have on and off thought of trying them out, but not with experiences like this out there. And oh, btw, I have AT&T for almost 10 years, and I've *never* encountered anything like this with any of the services I currently have, or previously had with them. What a bunch of dorks !!




at 3/10/2009 3:58:38 PM, spaceman spiff said:
After calling, I'd contact my credit card company (I always use AMEX for this sort of stuff) and tell them that I'm canceling the service and that I will not accept any more charges from that vendor. This is a bit of a pain with Visa/MC, but easy enough to do with AMEX. That way, at least they cannot "lose" the paperwork...



at 3/10/2009 4:05:23 PM, It''s over... said:
Sirius is, as Brian stated, soon to be history. It''s a neat service for the few folks that can use it, but it will soon be seen as just a flash in the pan. I''m kind of amazed at how many people seem to be buying the stock judging from the extreme comments here. That level of strident defense almost always signals the end of a company. Good luck to all of you promoters. You''ll need it if you don''t open your eyes to reality.



at 3/10/2009 10:01:42 PM, Shocked said:
I must say that as a Sirius user and a business man, I would hope that all customers are treated with respect. And yes, I would also hope that the company would try too find out why you want to cancel your subscription and do what they can to try to retain you as a customer. In the end if the issues can not be resolved the customer should leave with a good experience so that in the future he might come back.
Based on what I am reading in most of the comments posted, customers have been trained to expect poor service and be treated with disrespect. Maybe this is an indication of why we have some of the problems we have in our society. I would like to think better of Sirius and the responders to this article.




at 3/10/2009 10:20:34 PM, SatBoy said:
Phew, reading the vitriol in this blog is amazing... from the EDN perspective, Brian's blog is a reflection of the truth. Perhaps too many are enamored with the Sirius mistake... er, mystique... and when the service tumbles into the toilet later this year (despite the Liberty Media infusion that keeps the service on the bowl's rim), Brian will at least have the graciousness to NOT state "I told you so..."




at 3/11/2009 1:30:25 PM, Kb10146 said:
Alternative suggestion to canceling the service. If you call the credit card company and let them know you have cancelled the service and no longer authorize any charges by that company they will block any further charges and by default your service should end. This is particularly useful if you were actually able to get through to cancel the service.



at 3/11/2009 2:00:20 PM, Tech Rep said:
I just purchased Sirius for my husband. I was quite surprised when I was told it will be $6.99 per month - $83.88 per year to add him but if I would like to add him for 3 years Sirius was willing to give me a deal of $251.64 for three years. What a great deal, it works out to be $6.99 per month for 3 years. I didn't sign up by credit card so I wouldn't go through the cancellation process if he didn't want to keep it because they will automatically renew on your credit card next year.



at 3/11/2009 2:09:29 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear Tech Rep, Keep in mind that it's only a good deal if they're around three years from now. Interesting that they're seemingly working hard to lock folks into long-term contracts even if they take a per-month average revenue hit to do so. I can think of a number of reasons why they're potentially doing this (a near-term incremental cash infusion, a means of improving their attractiveness to potential investors and purchasers, etc). Best of luck to you!



at 3/11/2009 4:17:26 PM, John F said:
Maybe this is getting to be an EDA story after all. Someone should try waiting until the last week of the quarter and see if they can ink an all-you-can-eat...er...listen deal.



at 3/11/2009 6:16:47 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear John F., Thanks for the chuckle. That made my day!



at 3/13/2009 7:25:30 PM, AM/FM....STATIC said:
AM/FM does not sound as good as satellite radio. In a car you lose your signal after a mile or two.

You must love commercials and you are poor!



at 3/16/2009 11:05:55 AM, gousa said:
Everyone on this board has a right to their opinions, of course people are supporting sirius, do you think we''re fools, sure we have a vested interest this co succeeds, and for someone to trash this co because it was hard to cancel his sub, in the worst environment we''ve seen in decades, is really silly and a waste of time, I mean, you could have the same problem with any co out there. Lets give credit where credit is due, if terestrial radio didn''t have the deep pockets of the parent co''s half of them would be out right now, the airwaves would be full of static, and it''s free, but if you want to listen to major talent, you have to pay for it. As a matter of fact, if our only choice for t.v. were rabbit ears, how many of us would shell out a grand for a flat panel. Someone commented,"if it''s only $142(39 cents a day) a year, than send me a check", no one here is selling sirius, we like the service and are willing to pay for it, if you can''t afford it or don''t think it''s worth the money, than don''t subscribe, I''d like to buy a ferrari, but that may well never happen, get real people. Some think sirius will be irrelevant in a couple of years, is cable t.v. irrelevant, NO, it''s all about content, this co isn''t going away, maybe common shareholders will be wiped out(I doubt it and I hope not, but you never know, and many of us shareholders understand that possibility) but the service isn''t going away anytime soon, in my humble opion, things can only get better.



at 3/22/2009 2:06:45 PM, Kbac said:
As far as them hanging up on you I think (from personal experience) they just have a really cr@ppy phone system. I tried to renew a free 3-month subscription I had on my new car and my call was dropped twice before I said screw it. Before reading online (from many pages) that Sirius-XM was in bad shape I was considering a three year term for my wife but if I have little they will be around that long I am not very willing to shell out money for a service that might not be around. As far as fanboi''s they are everywhere talking s#it about everyone who does not worship "their" company no one product/service is right for everyone fanboi''s are not intelligent enough to realize this and blindly fallow and defend "their" company until the bitter end.



at 3/26/2009 9:55:08 PM, Reader said:
I had the same thing happen to me. I just tried to cancel my subscription and was transferred and then placed on hold for over 30 mins before they hung up on me. I read around and it seems that many people have this same problem. They make it nearly impossible to cancel. It would be nice if they had a simple "cancel subscription" link on their website since they certainly make it nice and easy to sign up and/or upgrade your service of buy one of their products.



at 3/30/2009 11:20:41 AM, Robert Dodson said:
Sorry I haven''t read through all the comments so this might be duplicative. I went through the same draconian process some years back to have my service not be renewed. Even then, it was like pulling teeth and without a notification to Sirius, a subscriber is renewed eternally (at least until they go under). When I got my next credit card statement, there was a $75 charge from Sirius. I called (going through hell to get them again) and finally learned that this was a "cancellation" fee that is awarded to those who cancel service before the end of a contract term. I called to explain that this was not a cancellation and that I simply chose not to renew AT THE END OF MY TERM. No banana. I had to call again, e-mail 4 times and finally threaten legal action before they relented that I had indeed chosen not to renew. Talk about "customer service". At that time, I decided XM maybe, but Sirius never again! (Since then, that argument became a moot point with the merger).



at 4/8/2009 11:13:20 PM, Marc said:
What I can''t stand about Sirius/XM is their constant interruption of the music to tell everyone how great they are. It''s like: two songs, station promo. Two more songs, another promo. And the promos themselves are so d**n pretentious. "We''re so great. So cool. You''re so lucky to be listening to us." Commercial-free, my a$$. I got a free trial with a new vehicle purchase, signed up for two more years, and just got fed up with the constant self-advertisements. ("I''m paying them for THIS??!!!?") So when the time to renew came, and they called begging me to renew, I told them I wouldn''t. They dangled three free months in front of me, but I told them I didn''t want to have to call and cancel after the three months were up. After reading this, I''m glad I stood firm. DirecTV buys their music channels from Sirius/XM, and we still have that, simply because dropping that would, for reasons known only to the accountants at DirecTV, make my rate go UP. So I listen in once in a while to see if they''ve gotten any better. Nope. Worse, if anything. Hell, on some of the stations, they have an over-compressed DJ guy introducing the songs and talking over the first several bars! What is this, AM? No, thanks.



at 4/25/2009 1:55:30 PM, nicole26 said:
I called in February to cancel my month to month service that had no contract. They said okay, and hung up. I then was charged for service in March and April, and the radio signal has been shut off. I''ve called 3 times since February to tell them to credit my credit card and cancel my service. Both times they said okay, but didn''t do anything. Finally today I called and threatened to sue them, and wouldn''t listen when they tried making up stuff like "that''s not refundable"...finally I was transferred to the cancellation line, I told her again if she didn''t credit my card and stop charging it I was going to sue. Was put on hold for over 10 minutes, but she finally did it. You have to get mad so they''ll finally do something, because they don''t want you to call back. Also call the executive line if you want real service. Be nice to them, and they will be nice to you: 1-888-635-5142. I should have called there first, but didn''t find it until today.



at 4/27/2009 3:35:08 PM, Someone who receives the print verion said:
First, I read your editorial in the print version of EDN, and came here by reference of the link at the bottom.

I'm a Sirius subscriber, and I haven't had the opportunity or need to cancel one of my subscriptions (yet). Regardless, we all know that these sorts of tactics are not new, nor are they sporadic for subscription-based services. Heck, you should hear how persistent the Indian (not-Native American) is at the phone bank that pesters me to renew EDN...despite having done so online.

Here's a tip for paid subscription services: Use a temporary credit card number. MBNA (now part of Bank of America) allows you to generate a card number (online) that's only good for a certain amount of money and a certain duration of time. After that, charges are declined. Subscribe with one of these and they are forced to ask you for a new number for payment come renewal time. Don't want to renew? Tell them such, or even just ignore them. They aren't going to get another cent out of you without your permission.

I will add the disclaimer that I would not try this technique with any service that isn't prepay-based, as they can come after you for non-payment of services.



at 6/2/2009 5:58:34 PM, Notworththetrouble said:
I experienced EXACTLY the same thing when I had to cancel my XM subscription because I had to turn my car back in to the dealer. It was an extremely painful process as well as time wasteful.
I refuse to subscribe to Sirius because they have very poor customer service. I purchased a new car in March, it came with 6 months trial subscription from Sirius. Unfortunately Sirius would not honor the 6 months, they said that the radio was activated in December. I had the car shipped from a dealer in Virginia in March. Regardless, it was a new car, from a dealer just purchased in March not December. The satellite radio was not activated when I got the car and had to call Sirius to activate the Sat radio. The dealer even called Sirius to explain the situation and they still refused to honor the 6 month trial. They refused me as well. Obviously they could care less if they get any new customers. It's too bad because I would have been a long time customer. Very bad customer service in my opinion.




at 6/15/2009 3:21:28 PM, Johnny Boy said:
I called last week to cancel & got through in 15 mins. he offered me 3 months free I declined & he said what day do you want it disconnected I gave him a date and that was it no hassle. Sat. radio is should be a $7 mo. deal anyway. so I enjoyed Sirius for the last 4 yrs. but just got tired of it.



at 6/25/2009 11:52:20 AM, johnstevens said:

Hi
A very big thank you for posting a reply and your kind offer to help. That’s really appreciated.
I have got it all worked out already by rereading ypur suggestion and this reply again.
Have a great day.



at 7/16/2009 11:34:58 AM, tweetybird said:
What pathetic whining. Brian, one hopes you're not writing this puling commentary on salary. On the off chance you do this in your spare time, you really, truly need to get a life, or a hobby at least.



at 8/16/2009 5:20:15 PM, Undermind said:
Great article Brian. Don't let these Sirius shills get to you. This article should be a warning to other companies that practice this kind of tactic.
Another thing along those lines is mail-in rebates. I just got a check from Motorola after going through many hoops. I was supposed to receive it in March and did not get my rebate check until August. I get my mail in a drop box and the check had an expiration date of August 5th which means I can't cash it! Unbelievable!



at 10/7/2009 3:17:57 AM, Sandra in Italy said:
My daily e-mail contains numerous notifications that my service will be cut off. Good! I live in Europe, and I'll be damned if I will use my dime(s) to call and cancel. Who needs to pay for internet radio when the internet is chock-full of free stations? I am so lucky my credit card was cancelled due to theft, so I won't be billed again. What if this hadn't happened? I, being a nice person, have written 7 times so far to explain. No response, I assume, no living sentient beings available.
What a way to please clients, Sirius!



at 10/15/2009 5:45:24 PM, NiceHandTick said:
Cancelled 3 times with sirius, and they refuse to take it..... thankfully I've changed the number on my creditcard, so they can't charge it.... they keep calling me asking for the updated financial information...
They are time VAMPIRES, hated scum, I just scream obscenties and tell them to go away... Every day they call and they will get nothing but obscenties from now on.... I was happy with the service for four years, got a new vehicle, doesn't get sirius and they cancelled the programming I wanted anyway....
But I've never went through hoops like they want you to jump thru. If I met someone from sirius now I would want to shoot them..... God I hate those people now, they should all be in prison.



at 11/4/2009 2:43:52 PM, Kevin said:
Great article Brian. I've had similar problems with ISPs when it was time to stop the service. I refuse to by Norton via credit card for just this reason; I have heard how hard it is to cancel their auto-renew as well. The commentor who says that a policy that requires it to be as simple to cancel as start is a good one. I think it is something that VISA should push, rather than the gov since frankly, VISA has more power.

And, ignore the SIRI pussies. Clearly they are upset that their 401k is being hammered.

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