Zibb

Brian DipertEDN Senior Technical Editor Brian Dipert exposes, analyzes and
opines on diverse topics in technology. Follow the Brian's Brain Twitter feed at www.twitter.com/BrianzBrain.



   Advertisement

Profile

RSS Feed

  • Add this blog to your RSS newsreader!

Recent Posts

Recent Comments

Most Commented On

Archives

By Category

Consumer Electronics Design Articles

Blog

Tuesday, May 5, 2009

2012: The Year Of Looming Solar Disaster, When Civilization Devolves?

May 5 2009 10:36AM | Permalink |Comments (60) |


Not that I'm trying to be all alarmist on y'all, or anything, but I confess that an article I recently read in Wired Magazine, entitled 'The 2012 Apocalypse — And How to Stop It', has me more than a little bit freaked out. And considering how much interest another tech topic little-covered by mass media, cold fusion, got when I pointed it out to my online readers two weeks ago, I thought I'd pass this one along to you as well for scrutiny and feedback.

Electromagnetic interference can hamper or even cripple the functions of close-proximity electronic equipment, as anyone who follows claimed extraterrestrial life sightings (remember the scene with Richard Dreyfuss in the pickup truck at the railroad tracks in Close Encounters of the Third Kind?), nuclear weaponry, EMP-specifically-generating weaponry, or for that matter Wi-Fi can attest. I'd also periodically heard that coronal mass ejections from the Sun during periods of heavy solar magnetic activity (as evidenced by abundant sunspots, and which normally last for 11.1-year periods; the most recent cycle began early last year) could put astronauts at risk. But I'd always thought that the Earth's inhabitants were largely protected from solar-sourced EMI pulses by the planet's geomagnetic field.

My understanding may unfortunately be overly simplistic, at least according to Lawrence Joseph, the author of 'Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation into Civilization’s End'. A number of factors converge to make us especially vulnerable during this particular solar cycle, which will likely climax sometime in the 2012 timeframe:

  • A NASA satellite recently discovered a massive 'leak' in the geomagnetic field, which appears whenever the Sun's magnetic field is aligned with that of the Earth (sunspots' magnetic fields 'flip' at the beginning of each active solar cycle)
  • The current active solar cycle, approximately 1.5 years in duration so far, is unfortunately one in which the Sun and Earth's magnetic fields are aligned, and
  • Increasingly power-dependent cultures across the globe are increasingly reliant on ultra-high-power transformers as critical links in the power distribution 'backbone'...transformers that (in conjunction with power lines acting as antennas) are particularly at risk due to solar-generated EMI, and that are extremely expensive and time-consuming to replace. As Wired's interview says (and yes, I already know that they meant volts, not kvolts, and I think they meant to say 'Around 50 percent already handle more current than they’re designed for'!):

Ultra-high voltage transformers become more finicky as energy demands are greater. Around 50 percent already can’t handle the current they’re designed for. A little extra current coming in at odd times can slip them over the edge...The 500,000- and 700,000-kilovolt transformers are particularly vulnerable. The United States uses more of these than anyone else. China is trying to implement some million-kilovolt transformers...When the transformers blow, they can’t be fixed in the field. They often can’t be fixed at all. Right now there’s a one- to three-year lag time between placing an order and getting a new one.

A satellite called ACE could provide power providers 15 to 45 minutes of warning, but it's six years past its original 5-year operating lifetime, and there are no plans to replace it once it fails (as it's beginning to do). Shunting energy or worst case shutting down the grid in preparation for an incoming solar pulse, assuming a response could even be mobilized in time, is an equally costly proposition, especially if ACE's warning consequently turns out to be false. And ground resistors, which theoretically could protect the power grid from solar EMI-induced spikes, are untested technology.

Thoughts, folks? Is it time to begin amassing supplies and survival expertise in preparation for a few years without electricity?


Reader Comments



at 5/5/2009 11:56:30 AM, Meredith Poor said:
It wouldn't be 'without electricity', but it might be 'without grid power'. If you have micro-hydro you could simply rewind the coils with fresh copper. Most batteries will still be OK. In short, the coping strategy may lead in an unexpected direction: if the grid goes out, just implement large scale RE and be done with it. The Mayans predict the 'end of the world' in December 2012. Is this inspired by a prior experience with this phenomena?



at 5/5/2009 12:30:03 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear Meredith Poor, according to the Wired interview, the Mayans actually predicted that 2012 would be "a great turning point. Not the end of the world, not the great off-switch in the sky, but the birth of the fifth age."



at 5/5/2009 2:05:16 PM, Mike said:
Isn''t it quite likely that the Mayan stone calendar carvers had to pick some year to stop at? Perpetual calendars would have taken quite awhile to carve in stone.






at 5/5/2009 2:22:34 PM, Frank said:
FYI, you are incorrectly using kilovolt units when it should be volts. China isn't quite to the point of having million kilovolt (one billion volt) transmission lines!



at 5/5/2009 2:22:49 PM, ffredrik said:
"Around 50 percent already can’t handle the current they’re designed for."

- Of course they can all handle the current they are designed for.

and

"A little extra current coming in at odd times can slip them over the edge..."

- Current coming in - Jeez..

"The 500,000- and 700,000-kilovolt transformers are particularly vulnerable."

- 500,000 kV - sure LOL

What a lot of crap - as usual !!!






at 5/5/2009 2:28:15 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear Frank and ffredrik, it's Wired who's making incorrect use of the units (and otherwise taking liberties with technical information). I just did a direct quote from their writeup. I agree that the piece is both somewhat sensationalistic and has some info errors, but the underlying concerns still seem valid.



at 5/5/2009 2:28:51 PM, nwz said:
Brian,
about the only consolation I can offer you is that the current solar cycle isn't behaving as expected. Sunspot numbers have yet to start climbing like the various modles have predicted. In fact, the current inactivity hasn't been seen since the late 19th century. While this has led some to posit the beginning of another Maunder minimum (another little ice age anyone?), this is of course complete speculation at this point as we lack a sofisticated understanding of longer term variants of the solar cycles. Such an occurrence (or lack there-of) will only be empirically determined. (i.e., don't get your hopes up global warming skeptics). At the same time sunspot activity has been down, so too is the intensity of the sun's radiation, which also appears to be at 100 year lows. What does all this mean? We really don't know what is going to happen during this solar cycle, so maybe it won't be as bad as predicted.



at 5/5/2009 2:29:03 PM, nvv said:
The guy writing for Wired can''t tell a 500kV transformer from a 500000kV (sic) transformer, and tries to convince me that the transformer and _not_ the line is an antenna.....sounds like junk science at best, written by one of those folks that did not pay attention in high-school physics.....does Wired not edit this techno-babble?

/nvv



at 5/5/2009 2:34:04 PM, Rob Z said:
a one to three year lag time? I'm surprised the ultra-liberal pseudo-science rag, Wired, isn't knocking on the White House doors screaming...we could put some people to work building transformers NOW! Forget about stock piling. Don't worry, everyone, with the current administration's pledge of No more nuke plants, no more coal plants, no more CO2 and therefore no more living plants what are you worried about the grid for? Won't be any electricity to put on it anyway and there won't be any food to cook with it.



at 5/5/2009 2:34:09 PM, Roger said:
According to National Geographic, the sun is being more quiet than normal -- so much so that they're slightly concerned about a replay of the "Little Ice Age".

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090504-sun-global-cooling.html



at 5/5/2009 2:42:18 PM, Mikie said:
With the current solar activity being so low with no sign of changing there is no way we will be at a solar peak by 2012. See this link for an opposing viewpoint. tinyurl.com/6e639d . The sun could be spotless for a while which means nothing will happen in 2012. So far the "new" solar cycle has not started the normal increase in solar activity. We are still running with no spots on the sun. By the way the solar activity also affects global weather (i.e. global warming). This is also a good site from NASA:
solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml



at 5/5/2009 2:42:56 PM, ejr said:
First, the next solar cycle has not yet begun



at 5/5/2009 3:00:10 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear ejr, Strictly speaking, we're ALWAYS somewhere within a given solar cycle. The first sunspot of the current cycle was observed on January 4, 2008, as noted in the link I provided in my writeup, although other sources suggest that the current cycle started in October of last year. It's reassuring to hear that the current cycle is (so far at least) quieter than average. Thanks to all who pointed this out



at 5/5/2009 3:03:40 PM, arclight said:
All: The Wired information isn't fiction, although poorly written. The potential for damage to high-energy grid transformers, and the results, has already been discussed in the Federal government. Google "Report of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack: Critical National Infrastructures" and read Page 27. After reading, consider what other mechanisms could just as easily do the deed (using your imagination, I expect it should take you about 3 minutes to construct a pretty good scenario) and then wonder why on earth we don't already have spares plans well in place and advertized.



at 5/5/2009 3:05:49 PM, Will said:
Remember, the Mayan universe is set in a circular Timeline. The calendar ends in 2012 because the next age starts and we can reuse the old one.



at 5/5/2009 3:18:27 PM, Slee said:
This was a little late for April fools day. The sunspot activity is at a low now and has been for over a year.



at 5/5/2009 3:49:49 PM, TJ said:
Wow, that article had a lot of errors! The problem with solar storms isn't "a little extra current slip(ping) the transformers over the edge", it is the induction of very low frequency currents on top of the 60Hz that causes the trouble. A few tens of amps of "DC" in the neutral leg can cause the cores to saturate on one half-cycle, and the released flux then heats the tank walls and other structures. Hydro Quebec had this happen on a large scale in 1989, during a solar storm.



at 5/5/2009 3:54:10 PM, Jay L. said:
I absolutly agree with this article. Everyone thinks I am crazy for thinking this will become our future. It will happen, everyone who thinks I am crazy now, just wait. I will be right and everyone that I work with will regret laughing at me!- Sorry I got a little carried away. I do agree with this article, however



at 5/5/2009 4:51:29 PM, CheckingOut said:
Given the factual errors in this article and the writer's alarmist tone, the credibility of this piece is very suspect. In fact, that now goes for all content in EDN publications.



at 5/5/2009 5:21:37 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear CheckingOut, what a ridiculous over-reaction. The referenced data's not absolutely perfect, so you're going to reject not only this particular topic (which is silly in and of itself) but also everything written by this and every other author at the publication? What a fine engineer you must be...not. Don't let the door hit you on the way out



at 5/5/2009 5:54:50 PM, The Great White North said:
Up here in Quebec we were actually hit in 1989

Well documented case

The Gov of Canada actually published this:

www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/em/ccirc/2002/ta02-001-eng.aspx




at 5/5/2009 6:32:52 PM, Not That Gullable said:
If the sun can expel enough energy to charge a 700 KV transformer, then it will fry us as we walk around too. It must be a belated April Fools joke.



at 5/5/2009 7:16:07 PM, Believer said:
Agree with this article, to note that all of these early warning signs are just a sign for the upcoming wrath to come. (Read the bible, Revelation 8 in particular).



at 5/5/2009 7:57:49 PM, DH said:
I may have to give this apocalypse a miss. I'll catch the next one.



at 5/5/2009 10:44:13 PM, Anti - Rob Z said:
Particularly liked the way you spewed your anti liberal venom. Quaint. Yes, all things liberal are bad. GW was good, the world just didn''t understand him. Yadda Yadda. Sheesh.



at 5/6/2009 12:44:10 AM, JustAnotherEngineer said:
Well,
The grid is in sad shape, no doubt about that. I am more worried that it is just going to collapse without the help of any sunspot-induced surges as it is.
Hopefully Obama will stop giving cash away to the idiots who designed and implemented the financial meltdown and establish some WPA-like projects . . like a decade-long overhaul of the nationsl power infrastructure. Better use of the cash, to my thinking. If we are going to put ourselves into decades of debt, why not get some long-term good out of the expenditure?

As for the Mayans . . were they republicans or democrats? I forget.



at 5/6/2009 1:30:19 AM, Scooter said:
If you move a long conductor (e.g. power line) through a field (e.g. sun spot activity), you get induced voltage. If it''''s high enough, it will damage the things attached to it e.g. transformers. It''''s happened before, it''''ll happen again. It could make a mess of a lot of infrastructure, as Great White North knows. This time, it may not be that bad, but we don''''t know.... Worth having a *reasoned* discussion about with those who pay for these things as JustAnotherEngineer suggests? Just ''''cos we''''ve not been wiped out yet, doesn''''t mean we can''''t be.....



at 5/6/2009 2:58:03 AM, Ceer said:
We followed low life cow boys, and we are all going into drain. White skin is a disease!



at 5/6/2009 4:58:55 AM, arclight said:
All: A few points:

1. This topic was discussed at least 1 year ago in a subsidiary of DHS, and at times before that as well. It was NOT viewed as fantasy by the engineers in that meeting.

2. Let's put our own engineer hats on. This issue is of concern from a risk-management standpoint not because of its probability of occurrence, but because of its severity if it does. From the report I cited: The US has about 2,000 large transformers in the grid. They are NOT made in the US. Lead time is 1-2 YEARS. World production is 200 / YEAR. The lack of local ability to produce these items, coupled with the long lead times and low world output, means that destruction of any substantial number of these devices, from ANY cause, will mean disaster for the United States. This is true even if the countries where these are made don't decide to play games with the US if such an event does occur (and who is stupid enough to believe that politics wouldn't enter such a situation?). That's the severity side of the equation.




at 5/6/2009 5:00:54 AM, arclight said:
What are the threat vectors? This article cites solar-induced damage (which, as noted, has already been documented in Canada). Now add to that the risk from two-legged monsters coming through a porous border, and it''s impossible not to conclude that there is a non-zero probability that a substantial number of these devices can be destroyed.

Since we can''t know probabilities, but since we CAN know the severity of occurrence, we can then decide if the risk is tolerable. My opinion is that it''s not tolerable to leave the United States this vulnerable.

What do we do about it? It''s pointless to try to harden these devices against damage. Far better is to ensure that we can crank out spares quickly, and that we retain that capability.

The transformers are as much as 50 years old. Do you think it possible that we could redesign them to be more efficient (and eliminate the PCBs along the way)? By doing new designs, and producing them locally, we (a) ensure that we CAN produce them locally when the time comes, and in short order, (b) potentially improve overall grid efficiency (with long-term benefits there), and (c) eliminate some sources of dangerous chemicals.

Suitable "stimulus" target?




at 5/6/2009 8:19:24 AM, Bruce said:
Aren''t there fuses- at least on the secondary side? Wouldn''t some fuses and lightining suppression technology work to protect the primary?



at 5/6/2009 8:37:32 AM, Tiamation said:
Between having off-mode RFI bork transformers (switchgear, smart-griddy snubbers, normal ones...) and getting momentary Arizona sun in Cleveland, that's a lot of ailing power diodes. A lot of extra false capacitance touch and power-toggling events, too. So remember; tell your neighbors "don't eat me, I have spares!"

Then see if their kid has a knack for knocking electromigrated things back into service.



at 5/6/2009 2:09:09 PM, LRW said:
The Canadian report that Great White North had mentioned contained an interesting background note:
quoting: "The phenomenon of geomagnetic currents was first noticed in 1847. In this year, the telegraph was the primary method of communication and relied on batteries for power. Once, however, while an Aurora Borealis was occurring, telegraph operators observed a disruption in the transmission of communications. When the power was switched off, the geomagnetically induced currents (GIC) [1] or "celestial power" allowed transmissions to be conducted at a better quality than with the use of batteries."
also "Consequences of geomagnetic storm activity can include widespread power failures, pipeline corrosion, the shutdown of cable systems, an increased drag on satellites, inaccurate navigational sensors and the loss of millions of dollars in revenue."
Good reference - Thanks





at 5/6/2009 2:21:25 PM, LRW said:
Same Canadian report says that Hydro-Quebec may have a solution to this problem with GIC. quote: "Since 1989, Hydro-Quebec has spent more than $1.2 billion installing transmission line series capacitors. These capacitors block GIC flow in order to prevent them from causing damage to the system. Hydro-Quebec has also installed monitoring equipment that spots voltage fluctuations and immediately notifies operators so that they may redistribute the load to other parts of the network. Additional protective measures include disconnecting the links between power grids, desensitizing automatic control systems"



at 5/6/2009 2:49:13 PM, Punkrockhers said:
Are these scare tactics being used or are solar flares a real possibility. It's hard to tell these days what is real and what isn't.

humanityFTW



at 5/6/2009 8:52:46 PM, wizguru said:
So many predicted disasters have zeroed in on or near 2012 - surely we are in grave danger, and preparing for whatever hits us is both logical and prudent. It is not just the Mayas, also consider Revelation, Nostradamus, Merlin, The Church of Bible Prophecy Bible Codes, Zuni Prophecies, etc. If they don''t work for you, many recent scientific, medical and economic works and news should convince even the most staunch skeptics.



at 5/6/2009 9:14:42 PM, NowHowMuchWouldYouPay said:
Excuse me for even suggesting that differential signaling could ever apply to such a macroscopic case of EE101, but... If RA were to flatulate a SBD EMP in our general direction, and given all 3 poles of any 3-phase transformer are connected to transmission lines running in parallel for miles (due to a pesky design efficiency constraint of near-zero phase-to-phase skew at all points of delivery), would not all poles have the same spurious milli-to-tera-volt noise induced on them with nanoseconds of skew between them (given these lines are feet apart from each other)? The net result, no matter how you transform -- even to single phase, is it not nil? This is not just common mode, it should be common sense! What NEUTRAL? What planet are we talking about, and how do they implement their grid again??? BTW - My unemployment status is now that much more stunning to me -- Of course, unlike the rest of the field, I could be wrong.



at 5/6/2009 9:20:13 PM, EEwithoutBS said:
Excuse me for even suggesting that differential signaling could ever apply to such a macroscopic case of EE101, but... If RA were to flatulate a SBD EMP in our general direction, and given all 3 poles of any 3-phase transformer are connected to transmission lines running in parallel for miles (due to a pesky design efficiency constraint of near-zero phase-to-phase skew at all points of delivery), would not all poles have the same spurious milli-to-tera-volt noise induced on them with nanoseconds of skew between them (given these lines are feet apart from each other)? The net result, no matter how you transform -- even to single phase, is it not nil? This is not just common mode, it should be common sense! What NEUTRAL? What planet are we talking about, and how do they implement their grid again??? BTW - My unemployment status is now that much more stunning to me -- Of course, unlike the rest of the field, I could be wrong.



at 5/7/2009 2:04:35 PM, Gil Russell said:
Brian,

Go here:

wattsupwiththat.com

Looks like the spots may be coming back with CME activity. Just think of a world without thin film transistors.

An interesting question that has to be asked is whether modern society is at risk of collapse by being over dependent on technology. . . ,

A good read is Jared Diamonds book titled "Collapse".

Gil Russell



at 5/7/2009 2:32:20 PM, Brian Dipert said:
Dear Gil Russell, regarding recent sunspot activity, I know: www.twitter.com/BrianzBrain/status/1723168877



at 5/8/2009 8:04:12 PM, me yes me said:
Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, century after century, there has always been someone spouting off the world is comming to an end, yada yada yada. Well its still here.
Every day power lines get hit by lightning bolts with millions of volts at millions of amps and while the power line may go down for some period they generaly are back up within minites to a few hours, and the sunspot EMS will not be any differant than that, things my go down but they will be back in a few minites to a few hours.

What I find facinating is that most of the time a power line transformer will survive a lighting strike, but when a squirel gets acrost the terminals it will frie.

A million volts at a million amps, no problem, 300-400 amps acrost a fried squirel, forget about it.



at 5/13/2009 1:51:27 AM, Bluebee said:
I know about 2012 since a while, and I am not scared.
But reading all these comments, serious ones and silly ones, I am missing one thing: The American Spirit.
Where has it gone, is there no entrepreneur thinking anymore?
2012 is a big challenge and a great opportunity.
Remember the electricity grid here in the States, fifty years old or more, always at the verge of collapse!
What an immense business opportunity!
If people know about the things which will happen, when all the stars are aligning with the sun and our little planet earth, they like to be prepared and will buy power generators en masse, because there will be no electricity from the grid for a long time in a lot of places, if not everywhere in this country! This alignment is for sure, because the movement of the stars is predictable, and the solar storms are for sure, too, NASA predicts.
Question is: be prepared or be scared?
Nevertheless, as I mentioned earlier, big business is looming. Be prepared having your own power station, think about solar power (wind is a special kind of solar power), best would be to have a solar Sterling Motor which compresses air to fill your Air Car and to drive your air power tools. What a big market! And the Government is supporting it!
More about my view on bluebees.blogspot



at 5/22/2009 10:12:46 PM, John said:
Some years back a large solar flair took out Quebec. The northern lights that night went so far south that you could look south of straight up and see them.





at 6/3/2009 1:25:56 PM, Not Alarmed in Seattle said:
More Y2K-style gibberish, aimed at creating panic and FUD. Better would be a little introspection about what it would take to build a resilient power generation and transmission setup, kind of IP carrying gigawatts instead of terabits. Read Harold D. Foster PhD's "The Ozymandias Principles: Thirty-One Strategies for Surviving Change" at hdfoster dot com slash Foster_ozymandias dot pdf



at 6/3/2009 1:56:25 PM, JNGinABQ said:

So, does this mean that those of us who have (or are planning to have) enough solar panels on our roofs to turn the electric meter backward (actually feed a little INTO the grid) are going to be in the catbird's seat? Or will "the calamity" blow them out and cause utter chaos? Not being a subscriber to the "global warming" theory, I would guess attempting to be energy-independent (but not necessarily survivalist) would be the prudent approach.



at 6/3/2009 3:10:36 PM, Meredith Poor said:
JustAnotherEngineer asked: "As for the Mayans . . were they republicans or democrats? I forget."
<br /><br />
Federalists.



at 6/4/2009 3:54:18 AM, jaggu said:
its too bad too worst




at 6/4/2009 11:55:29 AM, ZZMike said:
If indeed it all comes crashing down in 2012, the only reasonable course is to take out a 30-year interest-only mortgage on a really big house.

I admit that 500000-kV lines seem pretty wild, but they're working on it:

From one of the articles:

"... an existing 230,000-kilovolt line on towers that could be upgraded to carry a 500,000-kilovolt line ..."

As for solar flares and disruptions, google for "carrington event". That was in 1859, and it caused a lot of damage to the primitive communications wew had ayt the time. Today it would be catastrophic - but they figure it was a once in 500 years event (too close for comfort). There were smaller storms on 1921 and 1960.

One solution: small, distributed power reactors (pebble bed reactors seem a good choice) - maybe 1 or 2 per big city. That way, one failure won't take out a whole coast - as happened before.

"...whether modern society is at risk of collapse by being over dependent on technology. "

Imagine this: no ATMs, no gas stations, no cell phones, no Wii, no radio or TV, no Web (no need for EDN), no movies, ...

There's also some info on the 1989 event.




at 6/4/2009 3:38:00 PM, William Ketel said:
How about protecting the grid with exactly the system that it needs to be protected from the failure string that we had in that big blackout in August, a few years back? What is needed is the means to disconnect QUICKLY upon overload! Not in the tens of minutes where somebody sees a meter showing overload, but in just a few milliseconds, so that even one full cycle of destructive power could be interrupted? If the grid switches itself apart quickly enough, the energy delivered to each of the smaller segments would not be able to add up. And BETTER YET, in the far more likely event of another localized overload problem, like happened last time, perhaps a large system collapse could be prevented. This protection is really needed anyway, but it would also serve to protect us from a solar flare/ giant EMP event.

BUt will it happen in 12/2012? OF COURSE IT WILL, since that is one month after I can finally retire. Just when things would get to be good, it will all fall apart.
One more question: has anybody checked to see if, jusst perhaps, the sun is putting out more heat?



at 6/9/2009 10:10:18 AM, El Dude said:
Everyone should read Maya Cosmogenesis 2012: The True Meaning of the Maya Calendar End-Date - Paperback (Aug 1, 1998) by John Major Jenkins and Terence McKenna to get the gist of the Mayans "end of the world"



at 6/9/2009 3:22:04 PM, W. Ketel, in the Rustbelt said:
What a lot of people are missing is that the world did end a while back. 1965, I think. Or was it civilization?
So now if we do lose the power grid, and if all of the cell phones stop working, and perhaps if all of the computers die, will civilization end? The real engineers will be able to find the resources to survive, and if we are smart, we will demand that next time engineers be in charge instead of lawyers. Then, the engineers in charge will need to insist on the respect we deserve. After the collapse, perhaps we can demand that stupidity be punished, and that those who don't understand how things work will not be allowed to decide how they will be used.
Wow! my medication must have all worn off.



at 6/9/2009 3:26:09 PM, gordon said:
Once a year, the sun appears to rise at the center of the milky way. Also once a year, a summer solstice (sp?) occurs. On Dec 21, 2012, both events simply occur on the same day. That marks the start of a new 4000? year Mayan calender.



at 6/9/2009 3:26:44 PM, gordon said:
I mean winter solstice



at 6/9/2009 4:54:18 PM, mark said:
I'm worried about other things like the magnetic pole reversal, a core shift, glaciers melting, and catching the swine flu from eating pork rinds . But I have a plan. I'm making compasses with the north and south switched, starting a company to drive a big metal pole through the earth to keep the core in place (and the planet would look more like my globe), looking over topo maps for the right elevation to get beach front property when the water levels rise and I've decided to boil my pork rinds to kill the germs. In reality, I'm just worried about having a job each week (stupid economy). Much more important things to worry about than this.



at 7/2/2009 7:12:27 PM, W. Ketel, deep in the rustbelt said:
One more question, which is: just how fast does this supposed magnetic flip occur? In seconds, milliseconds, or in microseconds, or perhaps in days? Voltage generated depends on the rate of flux change. Remember that? So a slow change would not have a large effect. Besides that, as the sun has stablized, it is putting out more heat, which is causing an increase in CO2. It just works that way.
So ther eally big question is "How did Bush mess up the sun?" We really need that answer.



at 7/3/2009 12:01:44 PM, TheMANwithNOname said:
I'm not worried. Got a garden, got a few solar cells lots of batteries, and alternative fuels foir heating and cooking.
Bring it on, I'll watch the technoids in the cities who can't think of something to do if they don't have a cell phone or MP3 in their ear squirm. *L*



at 7/14/2009 1:38:40 PM, ragtoplvr said:
I for one welcome our new Mayan overlords.

Actually:

What we lose is the ability to ship power long distances.

We can still generate power. So the rural areas that have excess power, from the NIMBY types in the cities exporting their dirty generation, will do just fine.

I guess renting my pasture will become more profitable.



at 7/20/2009 1:56:49 PM, drmotoman said:
Check out this guy: Dr. Paul LaViolette and his "Galactic Superwave" theory...VERY thought-provoking...



at 7/20/2009 3:11:40 PM, Antti K said:
Just a question: how would an EMP from the orbit
(e.g. look for the "The_K_Project" and
"Starfish_Prime" in Wikipedia
)
or from Sun (like mentioned Carrington event and Quebec 1989)

actually affect photovoltaic panels?
(Both crystalline silicon, and thin-film
a-Si/CIGS/CdTe?)

As for protecting the transformers:
what about using (short stretches of) high-temperature super-conducting cables as natural current limiters, like explained in American Superconductor site www dot amsc com
(See fault current limiters in "products & solutions" section.
No, I'm not affiliated with that company.)




at 11/21/2009 1:42:39 PM, . said:
Will we lose our memory when the nothern lights come ?

Post a comment



Display Name

Change Image
Before submitting this form, please type the characters displayed above.
Note the letters are NOT case sensitive.


ADVERTISEMENT

©1997-2009 Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
Use of this Web site is subject to its Terms of Use | Privacy Policy

Please visit these other Reed Business sites