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Wednesday, May 7, 2008

EDS: The shallow US talent pool

May 7 2008 2:32AM | Permalink |Comments (24) |


When setting my schedule for EDS,  I first took a look at the schedule of events and noted which ones would be of particular interest and service to our EDN readers. One of those events was “Talent Pool in America” at 1pm Tuesday afternoon. 

The panel event, chaired by ECN editor in chief Alix Paultre, was indeed worth attending. Unfortunately, I’m one of the few people who now knows that. Less than a dozen EDS attendees came to the event. This had me scratching my head in wonder. Our talent pool here in the United States is dwindling, putting the US at extreme risk of losing its standing as a leading nation in terms of technology. Be that because our education system does not encourage STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) interests with children, be that because engineers face increasing pressure in their work environments, be that because outsourcing has encouraged existing engineers to explore alternative careers, the reasons go on and on for this very complicated issue. 

Arrow’s Bill Mitchell during Monday’s keynote briefly touched on the talent pool situation, calling it “the industry’s biggest challenge.” Mitchell estimated that in the next five years 45% of engineers will retire. He also advocated the use of H-1B visas as a way to fill positions if there are no qualified American workers available. The debate, or perhaps a better word is "argument" (even better yet, "war") over whether H-1Bs are a good route to dealing with the talent shortage rages on here at EDN with two recent blog posts on the subject continuing to garner reader comments. (See “Wanted or not, H-1B visa process starts on April 1,” and “H-1B visa cap (and readers’ limits) reached.”)

So why the low attendance? Obviously talent in America is an important issue. Was it a case of bad lunch-break timing or perhaps industry denial? As the event began, Paultre suggested that the talent shortage may be seen as a “not my problem” issue by many distributors. I agree. There’s been a change in distribution that has not resonated with some as of yet. You’re not just companies who buy components in a big box, then split them into little boxes and ship to customers anymore. The distributors that will still be here in 10 years understand that they need to be EEs, supply chain product movers, demand chain value creators, and that they need to be able to service the full electronic supply chain from design to supply to end of life. Still, do the distributors who get this fully understand the staffing requirements or the talent that this entails in the near future? Equally important, it is unclear whether they are prepared to see their Baby Boomer-aged executives—those who have been with companies for decades and have proven themselves to be the go-to guys and gals over and over again—soon retire. Has the distribution industry accepted that it is aging? Look around the EDS show floor and you’ll see more gray heads this year than last.

Paultre also noted that finding panel participants for the topic was difficult. To discuss the shallow talent pool here in the US means discussing outsourcing, visas, shrinking salaries, the economics behind layoffs—none of which are topics that will particularly make you popular among a crowd of EEs.

Yet Paultre did manage to find three knowledgeable and prepared panelists—C&K Components’ Jean-Michel Bourin, Dean Technology’s Mike Meyer, and Laird Technologies’ Ellie Rovai—who spoke on the issues that are impacting the talent pool and what we could do to amend the situation. Between questions on how many people starting off in engineering now will last in the field through retirement and how to best defend our electronics supply chains against international competition resonated issues of social and corporate responsibility.

Bourin, who is based in France, noted cultural and social differences between US and European nations when it comes to engineering and education. Meyer pointed out that demand for electronics continues to increase here in the US, while the number of industry professionals continues to shrink, which represents a sort of disjointed supply and demand situation of its own. And Rovai noted that she isn’t sure the average American even knows what an engineer does. How do we encourage engineering as a career if the general public is under some disillusion as to where those Wiis, iPhones, and laptops came from?

Changes to this situation will best come about when we, as an industry and as individuals, get people excited about what we do. Remind them that Mario and Luigi aren’t the ones building the next-generation game systems. Change will also come about when more companies begin backing efforts to bring science and math back into the classroom and, moreover, to remind kids that STEM activities can be fun. National Instruments has done a great job of this with its Lego Mindstorms activities.

Share your thoughts on the talent pool and how as Americans we can keep competing. And stay tuned to this blog for more from EDS.


Reader Comments



at 5/7/2008 8:32:15 AM, EDSPaul said:
If the US talent pool is dwindling its because the technology "Carrot" has been removed by the offshore outsourcing of technical jobs. What incentive is there for a a young person to spend big US college $ on a career path thats probably a dead end because US companys are sending all of there tech jobs to India.. China.. IBM and EDS are 2 of the biggest "Enablers" of this. I''''''''''''''''m in IT with EDS.. and would never tell my son or daughter to follow my footsteps... I''''''''''''''''m barely keeping ahead of the offshore footsteps myself.



at 5/7/2008 8:59:30 AM, weaver said:
Complicated?
NSF Data 2006

BLS Employment in S&E occupations = 5,408,000

SESTAT Highest degree in S&E field B.S. and above = 14,531,000

Source:
NSF Chapter 3. Science and Engineering Labor Force: How Large Is the U.S. S&E Workforce? (table 3-1)


What shortage?



at 5/7/2008 11:54:43 AM, smith said:
remove the $$$ incentive for universities to bring in foreign students



at 5/7/2008 12:35:34 PM, Questor said:
The "shallow US talent pool" is a myth used by businesses to unfairly lower labor costs.

There are plenty of ready, willing, and able US workers who are citizens that can do the majority of jobs where employers falsely claim a "shortage".

Businesses claim they cannot find workers at lower wages they want to pay, which results in hiring H1-b and L-1 foreign workers that depress the regional market wages.

It seems that most companies want US workers to take a couple os steps down in salary which results in cuts for most people's lifestyles, savings, and retirement.

It has recently been said that employers hold no preference for any country that operate within.

I think US businesses should hire solely American workers as a condition before any State or Federal tax breaks or incentives are granted to that company.



at 5/7/2008 12:43:46 PM, pro8 said:
Just how many million deep should the US STEM talent pool be? How many more bright, knowledgeable, talented, creative, industrious US scientists and engineers should we have serving coffee, selling blue jeans, cat-sitting, and simply unemployed and homeless instead of being employed in science and engineering? There was no talent shortage. There is no talent shortage. And no credible evidence of an impending talent shortage has been presented.



at 5/7/2008 5:23:49 PM, WTF! said:
When there is a chance to make a buck and little monitoring, greed will be found every time. No more visas until we have an accounting of who is already here, what their true skills are, and that they are so rare businesses are paying top dollar for them.



at 5/8/2008 4:56:35 AM, Bart said:
The US already produces more native STEM graduates than it generates jobs for. A new study out shows what those of us in the industry already knew: that the vast majority of H-1Bs are merely ordinary workers, not rare talent.



at 5/8/2008 6:56:43 AM, headhunter said:
I own a headhunting business. I can tell you this with 100% certainty. Kids in college are being told by their parents not to go into engineerings, for fear of losing their job to offshore workers making $10/hr.

We will soon be a country of two types of people. Those managing hedge funds and making $10M a year, and those working at Walmart. We are killing our middle class. We have energy and commodity inflation due to the growing middle class in China and India. We, the US, have created this middle class, and the inflation is only beginning. Plus, we have created massive wage stagnation. Thus, people in the middle are struggling.

The lack of talent myth is really a self fulfilling prophechy built on greed.



at 5/8/2008 1:08:38 PM, Franklin said:
Bill Mitchell and his kind are one of the reason the talent pool may be thin. The first sign of any issues he lays off more people. What incentive is there to work for his company!



at 5/8/2008 2:32:57 PM, Employer said:
We find that the talented people are worth their salaries and more. They are smart and occasionally work 50 hour weeks and get the job done. Unfortunately the less talented sitting next to them coming in at 9:30 and leaving at 4:30, always having an excuse and lamenting they need an assistant want to be paid more. There is an attitude that we should move to a 30 hour work week, and engineers should be paid overtime for more than 40 hours, despite not being able to meet deadlines or get their projects to work. We have found we have to flush 25 to 50 percent of new hires because they either exaggerated their skills or their willingness to work. This is exemplified in the fact that many potential engineers don't take those classes in college because they associate them with work. For many yearsthe engineers and scientists at many US colleges need a MS to compete with BS levels from Berkeley, MIT, Stanford and other top notch schools. Now we are finding, even those schools suffer from grade inflation and ego inflation.



at 5/8/2008 3:01:07 PM, Employee said:
Damn tootin' I get paid for overtime. If the employer doesn't share in the profits when the company does well or some sort of profit sharing, then I get my OT paid straight time for when you steal from me and my family. We may be exempts, but we're not stupid.



at 5/8/2008 3:09:26 PM, Questor said:
To "Employer" regarding your post... Instead of hiring people right out of college where the failure rate is "25 - 50%", try hiring an older, more experienced worker. You may be pleasantly surprised! Older workers tend to work harder, have better attendance rates, and are just a flexible as new grads for learning technology. Age should not be an artificial barrier for hrining a person willing to do the job...



at 5/8/2008 3:55:35 PM, SCREA said:
The notion that there is an shortage of engineering talent in the US shows a complete misunderstanding of cause and effect. Young students are very quick to adapt to the employment marketplace. Since our leaders have sold out our futures and hollowed out the US technology manufacturing sector through overseas outsourcing, it is a natural result that students choose other careers. The notion of a shortage, is more likely a whitewash to hide the actions of the guilty.



at 5/8/2008 4:00:40 PM, Long time engineer said:
Engineers are being treated like commodities with the worst treatment being reserved for experienced engineers not yet ready to retire. Our raises have not kept up with inflation, the pension plans are being cut and we are supposed to continuously improve productivity plus mentor those few new engineers so they can replace us as they are paid less. No wonder many of us are considering earlier retirement than we had planned for.



at 5/21/2008 1:11:21 AM, Respondent said:
Nobody here seems to understand the real problem. It''s that the technology curve has rendered 2-4 year degrees pratically useless. Come on, companies really expect us to come in and understand how to fix and maintain products such as Cisco Nitro and Presto series back-plane routers in C.O''s that fuel the internet. These products have advanced Asic''s that are made by Altera ,Xilinx plus others and have been engineered and designed over the past 60 years by EE''s from MIT and others. You cannot teach someone 60 years of R&D in a 2-4 year degree. Talent shortage! give me a break. Who are the ones with unrealistic expectations. I feel sorry for the people who have chosen to make a living in technology, with endless recert''s required just to have a chance to land jobs that haven''t already been outsourced to make a bigger profit margin at the expense of US workers.



at 5/28/2008 6:21:53 PM, Paul Perry said:
Anyone who deals with children today knows that their perception of the world comes mostly from TV & videos. So science & technology is completely off the map. Even worse, universities have become mere businesses - competing for custom by turning into up-market finishing schools. Present a 'challenging' course & see how long you last.
But the main problem is that sooner or later, R&D gravitates to the manufacturing site.



at 5/30/2008 7:09:19 PM, Former Arrow FAE said:
Arrow nor any of its management have a clue about employment within their customer base. They barely know what they doing. I do not find Mitchel as an authority about anything but his own distribution business, and barely that. I agree that the H1B is a bad policy and there are no shortages of talent in the United States, only low paying greedy employers with no loyalty to US workers.



at 6/2/2008 5:32:48 AM, Dev said:
This situation only occures when government is run by lobbies and not by the elected officials. So all has to wake up. Loose the old mentality of "It does not affect to me".



at 6/6/2008 1:01:16 PM, More Engineers Would Do What? said:
The claim that 45% of engineers will retire in 5 years is implausible. What evidence is there for that claim?

And I don't agree that there's any disconnect in the public mind regarding where products like iPhones, Wii's and laptops come from. The come from China, just like everything else.

I am not worried about America losing its competitive edge in technology. I'm worried about how and if we can ever get it back.





at 6/18/2008 6:17:48 AM, SC said:
Industry has forged the dwindling talent pool link by link over the years and like Marley's Ghost, willingly put it on. Engineers have been and are still considered commodities to be used and discarded as the situation dictates. Engineers have been poorly paid, encouraged to leave engineering and enter management as soon as possible and considered failures if they are still engineers after five years of graduating.
Even the idea of importing foreign engineers to reduce the cost of engineering serves to further shrink the pool.
Even in these days of high salaries, we are waiting for the bubble to burst.



at 6/27/2008 4:20:37 PM, By the numbers said:
In 1978, when I decided to become an EE, the starting salary for a BSEE was $28,000, and the average salary was $38,000. Corrected by the US government cost of living calculator (actual inflation numbers would make it much higher), starting salaries would be $94,000 and the average would be about $128,000. Obviously, the salaries have been eroding.

My current training budget? $0. Family health coverage? I spend about $8000 each year out of pocket. Number of "yearly" raises in the past 10 years? 2. Likelihood I want my kids to follow in my footseps and have this career? Do the math, because it is discouraging.



at 7/8/2008 7:18:18 PM, Frank said:
Ditto what everyone else has posted here. As ''weaver'' shows with the NFS data and ''headhunter'' explains, THERE IS NO shortage, just an insiduous corporate propaganda campaign to justify bringing in cheap H-1Bs meat, and further justify offshoring operations. Meanwhile, throw away ''expensive'' native talent and sell out our technology to enemies-to-be. These executives are nothing but damned Machavelian, nationless, lying traitors.





at 7/25/2008 9:35:45 AM, Karma goes around said:

To the godhead executives: Hey, like in the Ayn Rand novel, Atlas is shrugging, A-holes, and YOU all caused it!




at 10/13/2008 8:00:27 PM, jclothi said:
Sorry guys the engineering talent shortage is real. Why? Next time you are at a PTA meeting ask any teacher the simplest of questions. Nada. People with "education" degrees, but functionally illiterate, are passing along that dream. So while the US student is challenged to draw peace symbols in finger paint, elsewhere they are challenged to face the WORKplace. Oh, we have plenty of slot-filler engineers. But the question was regarding the quantity GOOD (talented) engineers.

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