Steve LeibsonLeibson's Law: It takes 10 years for any disruptive technology to become pervasive in the design community. This blog is about the disruptive technologies that either have or will win over electronic engineers, some that won't, and why. Written by Steve Leibson, Tensilica's Technology Evangelist. See my history site at www.hp9825.com. You can email me by taking the first letter of my first name, appending that to my last name, then the magic email symbol, followed by the name of the company I work for, and then a dot followed by com.

View Steve Leibson's profile on LinkedIn

Profile

RSS Feed

  • Add this blog to your RSS newsreader!

Recent Posts

Recent Comments

Most Commented On

Archives

By Category

Blog

Sunday, April 1, 2007

Hacking Old 97, Part 1: Batteries

Apr 1 2007 12:00AM | Permalink | Email this | Comments (18) |
Blog This! using:  Blogger.com | LiveJournal |
Digg This | Slashdot This | add to Del.icio.us


Fluke Scopemeter 97My Fluke Scopemeter 97 is a bit more than 10 years old. It was the top of the line for a new series of three new instruments that put a portable, battery-powered scope in the palm of your hand. The Scopemeter was and still is a great concept. Fluke still makes Scopemeters (now improved over the original 90 series) and several vendors now offer competing products.

Although little used, my Scopemeter was dead. The original battery pack wasn’t just flat, it had leaked. In addition, I’d never purchased the special optical interface for Old 97 so it couldn’t talk to anything. Fluke’s engineers had originally designed the Scopemeter to directly drive Epson dot-matrix and HP ink-jet printers. I wanted to bring this instrument back to life and, figuring that images of it’s waveforms might prove useful in future blogs, wanted a way to interface it directly to my PC instead of driving a printer. I’ll be devoting several future blog entries to my progress in hacking Old 97.

The first step was to fix the battery situation. The retail price on genuine replacement PM9086 NiCd packs is around $89. Fluke’s Scopemeter battery pack is a proprietary design incorporating four NiCd C cells in a shrink-wrapped package with a special charging tab. Over on eBay (a good place to look for old electronics stuff and repair parts), replacement battery packs cost $19 plus $7 shipping. The replacement pack on eBay has a 2800 mAh capacity. Perhaps we can do better.

I’ve been buying AA NiMH cells for a while now for digital photography. I usually buy the Lenmar brand. When I started buying these cells at Fry’s a few years ago, Lenmar’s AA NiMH cells had a capacity of 2000 mAh. That number has steadily risen every year since. These days, Lenmar’s top-of-the-line NiMH AA cells have a capacity of 2700 mAh each! Each AA cell has nearly the same capacity as the entire NiCd replacement pack for the Scopemeter. Perhaps I could find a way to use standard NiMH cells instead.

The first step was to look for NiMH C cells. Little to no research seems to have gone into engineering rechargeable C cells. At least I find them very hard to buy. You can get sub-C cells for building battery packs (the radio-control hobby market likes these) but I wanted batteries I could easily buy off the shelf at a store. It’s easy to find rechargeable AA cells. Lots of companies offer them.

Lenmar doesn’t offer NiMH C cells but they do sell PROAA2C plastic adapters that convert AA cells into C cells. These adapters retail for $10/pack of four but the local Fry’s will sell you a pack for less than $5. Now we’re talking. A quick trip to Fry’s and I was ready for an experiment. I already had four 2500-mAh NiMH AA batteries, which I charged up externally, inserted into the adapters, and crammed into the Scopemeter’s battery compartment. The instrument immediately powered up.

AA cell and AA-to-C adapter

NiMH AA cell and AA-to-C adapter

So now my Scopemeter was running on rechargeable AA batteries but it couldn’t charge them, which was a pain because the Scopemeter’s battery box is gasketed, sealed, and held in place with two Torx screws. It would be much easier if the Scopemeter could charge the new batteries in place. However, Fluke’s engineers had designed the original battery pack with a special, separate charging tab so that the Scopemeter wouldn’t be able to charge non-rechargeable C cells, which would not contact the charging tab.

Scopemeter 97 charging tab

The original Fluke rechargeable NiCd pack has a tab leading from its positive terminal to the charging plate in the battery box. To permit the Scopemeter to recharge the NiMH AA cells, I had to provide a path from the charging plate in the battery box to the positive terminal of the appropriate C cell. I did that very simply by gluing a strip of wire braid onto the side of an AA-to-C-cell adapter.

Charging-braid hack

The glued section of braid along the side of the battery adapter contacts the charging plate. The free end of the braid wraps around the end of the battery adapter and is sandwiched between the AA battery’s positive terminal and the positive terminal in the battery box. The Scopemeter can now charge the four AA batteries while they’re inside of the battery compartment.

First Old 97 hack accomplished.


Reader Comments


at 8/10/2007 3:52:21 PM, wrench said:
Thanks for this. I've been dragging a cord around.

at 8/27/2007 7:56:48 AM, Orlando Serrano said:
Appreciated Friend, My FLUKE 97 turns ON normally but internal Relays don’t work, and due to this, no readings are obtained. You may switch functions normally too. As a clue, Rechargeable Batteries were removed because are actually dead. Does this unit demand the battery pack to stabilize its circuits? Is there any thing I can do to solve the problem? Should I get a new Battery Pack? I have the Service Manual but it doesn’t say any thing about my case, and most voltage readings are OK Orlando Serrano oserrano@delthac1.com orserrano@yahoo.com

at 8/27/2007 8:40:41 AM, Steve Leibson said:
Orlando, I'm sorry, but I cannot help you troubleshoot your Scopemeter as I am not that knowledgeable about its internals. Have you tried calling Fluke? From your description, I suspect that you do indeed need the batteries to supply the current needed for the relays to pull in, but that's a wild guess and nothing more.

at 8/28/2007 1:21:11 PM, Orlando Serrano said:
Thanks a lot for your answer, I’m located in South America and here I have called Fluke. They are not as helpful as they are in America and besides, if I send them the unit here to be repaired, it would be too expensive not matter if the solution is based on a simple thing, My regards and thanks again Orlando Serrano orserrano@yahoo.com

at 8/28/2007 5:22:35 PM, Steve Leibson said:
Orlando, eBay has inexpensive battery replacements for the Scopemeter. Just search for Scopemeter battery. They're usually there.

at 9/13/2007 12:32:16 PM, smh said:
Note that charging NiMH cells with a circuit designed for NiCd is likely to harm the battery, as the charger cannot properly determine when to stop charging.. For the second hack, check out users.tkk.fi/~jwagner/fluke/ and scopegrab32.sourceforge.net/

at 9/21/2007 5:41:57 AM, Cricri said:
NiCd and NiMH have a different charge process, and I wouldn't recommend charging NiMH in a device used to charge NiCd. In fact, I already ruined a battery that way. Besides, for $10, I was able to get 4 C NiMH batteries, so why spend this money into sleeves to start with? The C size batteries hold much more mAh of course. Finally, I quote "AA NiMH cells had a capacity of 2000 mAh. (...) Lenmar’s top-of-the-line NiMH AA cells have a capacity of 2700 mAh each!". Yes, but that is hardly relevant, capacities do not had up when you connect batteries in a serial circuit anyway.

at 9/21/2007 3:55:04 PM, Steve Leibson said:
Facts: 1. My NiMh batteries in Old 97 aren't dead yet despite repeated charging. Your mileage may vary. It depends on the charging circuit. Old 97 doesn't have a fast charger. 2. I already had the Lenmar batteries, so the incremental cost was about $4 for the adapters. 3. The total capacity of the 4 batteries in series is 2000 mAh at 5V, which is still more than the original quad-C NiCd pack supplied with the Scopemeter.

at 1/6/2008 9:47:36 AM, A A Kerr said:
to Orlando Serrano I am not sure why your relay is not pulling in. But before spending $$$ for a new battery pack. You can use 4 Alkaline C-Cell. I you still have the same problem then it is not the battery causing it. you can use kr27/50 or r14 c cells. But do not the ac adapter with the Alkaline cells in the 97

at 1/22/2008 11:14:27 AM, ayub said:
i used li-ion batteries, somehow the gases from the batt partially damaged the lcd ,the backlight was never that good like that of the fluke 99 ! but your usb to rs232c could give it a second life, its a beautiful instrument and i would not want to lose it. do you think a replacement with a fluke 99's lcd (if connections match and the flourocent backlight panel is compatible?) wold work? thanks,keep up the good work. ayüb

at 1/22/2008 12:34:07 PM, Steve Leibson said:
ayub, I'm afraid I can't tell you whether a Fluke 99 display would work in a Fluke 97. Sorry, but thanks for the comment and thanks for the encouragement.

at 2/7/2008 11:27:46 AM, kiros61 said:
Hi, thanks for notice. I need also know where I can buy new lcd panel cos i have broken.(smashed ) thanks peppelolli@virgilio.it

at 7/9/2008 5:58:47 AM, HenryP said:
Hello, does your NiMh accus work still, now it's been over year since your article so they would certainly show some effects by now, if they are affected. I'm just curious, because I just changed 3700 mAh NiMh batteries to my 97, totally based on this article. Do you leave your scope plugged on the wall, eg. are the accus receiving constant charge for long periods ? Thanks for nice article !

at 7/9/2008 10:07:23 AM, Steve Leibson said:
HenryP - Yes my Scopemeter still works with the NiMH batteries, last time I checked, but it's not plugged into the wall most of the time. With my very low frequency of use, I'd definitely not leave the Scopemeter plugged in all the time.

at 7/29/2008 7:31:13 AM, jiml said:
anybody know what the output voltage the the ac adapter/charger is mine is missing. thanks

at 7/29/2008 10:42:41 AM, Steve Leibson said:
jiml, the Fluke 97 scopemeter manual (downloadable at h t t p ://us.fluke.com/usen/support/manuals/default.htm) shows a picture of the charger and it's marked 15V @ 300 mA. It also shows a car charger so I'm guessing anything between 12 and 15V might work.

at 9/18/2008 11:53:32 AM, Amarbir said:
Mates , Can Some Tell Me the Charger Voltage ,ampere and is It AC or DC And Does It Have a Special Male Power Connector That Goes In

at 9/18/2008 11:58:43 AM, Steve Leibson said:
Amarbir: see the comment immediately before yours for the voltage and current rating: 15V, 300ma. The connector is a standard coaxial connector (don't know the size) and the polarity is marked on the Scopemeter.

Post a comment


Display Name

Before submitting this form, please type the characters displayed above:


ADVERTISEMENT

©1997-2008 Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
Use of this Web site is subject to its Terms of Use | Privacy Policy

Please visit these other Reed Business sites