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Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD and the Sony PS3 vs. Xbox-360

January 16, 2008

So my brilliant young protégé Francis Lau from Aerielle sent along this hilarious video mashup of a Hitler movie with BluRay vs HD-DVD format wars subtitles [advisory: very profane subtitles, the audio is the original German soundtrack for the movie]. The point was that HD-DVD has lost. As I always pulled for HD-DVD this disturbs me, I like the cheaper duplication costs and at least some potential for cost-effective burners in our PCs. When Francis sent the movie out he made the quip “Time to go buy a Sony PS3”. I forwarded the movie to a bunch of pals including Todd Murchison, a software guru, gamer and all around Renaissance man. Last year Todd told me that he uses a PS3 as a media server. He said the wireless features alone make it pretty cool. Todd responded with these comments about the PS3:

I highly recommend the PS3 as a media client.  I’m in love with mine as an addition to my home entertainment system.  It’s incredible hardware for the $400 price mark.  For another $100 you can upgrade the hard drive (without voiding the warrantee) to the 160 or 200 GB range.

I run a free media server called TVersity on my PC (if you are using XP rather than a server OS you can stream your media using Windows Media Player) and I wirelessly stream images, music, and video to my PS3 to be played on my big-screen HD TV and surround sound stereo.  The streaming media stuff is very handy as I do not need to copy everything I want to watch to the PS3 drive.  The latest firmware on the PS3 natively supports DivX, which covers most of my video media, and the rare video in some other format is transparently trans-coded on the fly by the media server.

For those who might be inclined (though I have not done this) you can dual boot the PS3 with Linux, leaving the native OS available for games, etc.  Plug in a USB keyboard and mouse and it’s a very powerful Linux PC using your 1080p TV as a monitor.

As for games, well, they are awesome.  I can really only recommend the Xbox 360 if you are a beer guzzling frat-boy who is exclusively interested in playing FPS (first-person shooter) games.  If, on the other hand, you are interested in a wider range of games (including FPS), curious about the creative odd-ball games that come out of Japan, or purely interested in the absolute cutting edge, then the PS3 is the way to go.

Furthermore, the 360 does NOT come standard with wireless networking. A wireless network adapter for the 360 is a $100 add-on. The PS3 comes standard with wireless networking built in. The 360 does not come with an HD format drive built-in. Again this is an expensive add-on to get an HD-DVD drive and an add-on Blu-Ray drive is not even available! And yet all PS3s come standard with a Blu-Ray drive. Oh, but the 360 is slightly cheaper than a PS3. I wonder why. Oh! And unless I am mistaken, 360s don’t even come standard with a built in HD! Someone PLEASE explain to me why people keep buying these things…

As for the format war, well I for one am quite happy that Blu-Ray won.  For one thing, PS3s have an excellent, firmware upgradable (profile 2.0 anyone?) Blu-Ray player built in, so I already have one.  I also already own two movies.  I got them for demo purposes, but now that it’s essentially the winning format I guess they can be the first two in my new collection. As for Blu-Ray burring tech, there are already BD burners on the market.  As for specific SONY HD camcorder features for burning to Blu-Ray, I’m going to go ahead and hazard a guess that it won’t be long before the  SONY backed Blu-Ray technology is well integrated with SONY camcorders.

If price is the only issue, well that’s a simple matter of time.  We all waited for DVD burners to drop in price.  And then we all waited again for blank DVD media to drop below the $1 per disk mark.  I would much rather have a similar wait and be left with superior technology and significantly higher capacity media at the end of it, than settle for, and standardize on, a format that is cheap now, but simply does not delivery a big enough increase in capacity.

Ok, I’m done with my pro-PS3, pro-Blu-Ray rant.  Now, on to actually watch the funny video…

Todd’s comments about burners were in response to my pal John Dell, a National Semi product engineer, who had responded:

Too bad the Toshiba/HD DVD camp refused to exploit the fact that burning HD DVD’s on standard DVD burners with inexpensive DVD-R/DVD-R DL is a great method to store/play video from an HD camcorder (namely the Sony HDR-HCx series). Blu-Ray does not have a competitive/economic solution to DVD burning and probably will not for quite some time.

Then Steve Williams, tube audio guru chimed in:

Oh, drat these worrisome decisions on what new consumer format to buy! Why are there always two! Guess it must be the free market and all that. I need to relax. I think I will go drop the needle on some nice soothing analog vinyl. BTW, anybody know if "The White Album" is coming out in a 78 box set?….

To which I replied:

Actually format wars and VHS and Beta have nothing to do with a free market, it has to do with the 17-year monopoly granted by the government in the patent system. We would have some pretty crappy color TVs if RCA did not open up the patents and allow everyone to build TVs and broadcast transmitters back in the 1950’s. By having the government select a single winner for advancements that are either obvious or percolating throughout the technical community, the inevitable happens, the big corporations get all the patents, lock others out, and then have these incredibly wasteful battles on the store shelf that costs consumers billions. If there were no patents you know how it would go. The Toshiba engineer would call the Sony engineer and say "Spiral groove with land recording, I like that". and the Sony guy would say "No cartridge to hold the disk, that is really neat", and before you know it there would be one standard and we would all benefit. I am not saying there should be no patents, but the term should be more like 5 years or even less, if the goal is "to promote the arts and sciences".
[Update: more from Todd Murchison here regarding the huge response to this blog and his feelings about game consoles.]

Posted by Paul Rako on January 16, 2008 | Comments (65)

January 5, 2009
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Robert commented:

Interesting article from 1 year ago. But my my times have changed! Between the Wii ($250 and 4 people can play games), my Netflix Roku box ($99 and my kids can use it and feel empowered), plus my "old" upscaling DVD player and my "old" DTV which has been able to display free high def from an antenna (or cable if you have it), who the heck needs a PS3 or blue ray? In this economy, "full" high def or whatever you want to call it just doesn't cut it.


January 2, 2009
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Joe Pete commented:

It is about time for the PS3 and Blu-Ray to end this fight. The PS3 has far greater capabilities then the 360XBOX take it from owner of both. Sony has stated to stay in race and support PS# which should be reason to state clear winner. JPB ASHBURN


July 24, 2008
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Get over it. commented:

You all need to get over the Console Wars! Personally I have a Wii as I like Super Mario Galaxy and the Wii Sports. But I'm not saying that it's the "Best" console. But for playing those 2 games it's the only option. I've considered a PS3 mostly for the Media end of it. But I decided to drop a drive in my PC and get a long cable (we'll see how that works out!). To watch HD movies on the big screen. I got a HD-DVD/BluRay combo drive for $150 so now I can play both formats and not have another console to mess with.


May 13, 2008
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joe commented:

The 360 has more games because of XNA, Microsoft's cross platform development environment that allows a game programmer to quickly target the same content for both PC and console. Sony will never get close where this is concerned. Also, Microsoft has made huge strides providing a development environment for next to nothing (as low as free, with capability to develop for the console starting at $99...yes, $99). This will continue to impact the games available. Sony's entry point for their development tools has always been high. Microsoft recognized this and thus has more titles and will continue to have more. Also, the fact that Microsoft games can run on PC using the same compiler / dev environment is HUGE to a company developing games for a market that still prefers one or the other and sometimes both (there's money in there guys...$$...and that will impact the development environment). The fact that I can't watch HD DVD's on my 360 is a loss but Walmart had Toshiba HD DVD players for as low as $99. No matter...I don't watch movies on it. I play games on it. I find more pleasure watching movies with my regular player or through media center, or even (dare I say) Itunes, where I can take movies wherever I want to go with them. I have HD on the PC and that's fine for me. Means I can shuttle content from laptop to desktop (bedroom to living room) to the plane to wherever. Yes, HD lost, but Microsoft is not stupid and will not lose the console wars anytime soon. The impact of DirectX, XNA, and the option to retarget for PC is a BIG deal in the SW world...Don't downplay it.


January 24, 2008
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msx commented:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Bullsh*t Alert!!!!! Ps3 has not sold 8.5 million units. They have lowered their end of year prediction from 11 million to 8.5 but are still a long way off even achieving that. Type in "ps3 sales" in google news and you will see that this guy is talking crap! Also, why would they pull the plug on ps2 if it's selling better than ps3? Not going to happen.


January 24, 2008
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WHEN THEY STOP MAKING PS2 commented:

Global sales of the PS3 are at 8.5 million units, which falls far short of Sony''s 11m unit goal by end of fiscal year-March 08. PS3''s biggest competitor is the 7 year old PS2 which sold 10 million units in 2007 and 120 million since 2000. If/when Sony finally pulls the plug on the production of the PS2 the PS3 will gain all of those sales. This will send Microsoft sadly back to the SOFTWARE INDUSTRY. Microsoft lost 4 billion on the XBOX in round one. They''ve already logged 1 billion in losses for the 360 and has yet to turn a profit??


January 24, 2008
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Strangis commented:

WTF does Blu-Ray/HDDVD have to do with PS3/360? Most 360 games have room to spare on their DVD9 discs, so who cares? I feel bad for all those 500,000 standalone BR buyers who will have to upgrade nearly new hardware just to meet Sony's restrictive BR 2.0 spec.


January 24, 2008
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msx commented:

What does that even mean?


January 24, 2008
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msx commented:

I can never figure out why the world think americans are ignorant??? I don''t want to win you over by the way, loudmouths like you aren''t wanted on LIVE.


January 23, 2008
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reality check commented:

OH, and sorry for the spelling mistakes msx, but you get the point.


January 23, 2008
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reality check commented:

msx , i''ve tried to keep this debate as civil as possible, but you just keep name calling huh? And the world says that Americans are ignorant and arrogant. Look, when you stop being closed minded and realize that there is more to life then hanging on Bill Gates nuts then maybe you will see that i said that 360 is better. For now. ps3 will end up being the better platform. And as for calling me a retard,it''s very mean. If you want to win me over why don''t you call me what you''re mom calls me, "DADDY LONG STROKE"! So please get of Microsoft''s nuts please! Besides, maybe Bill Gates''s wife would like to see more than the top of your head when she unzips his pants! Gotta go your mom is calling me again, guess she wants more huh son? Write what you want now , I won''t respond! p.s. Go get a girl you nerd! LOL!


January 23, 2008
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msx commented:

Also how can it have a complete software failure,??? Think before you spread your only ever comeback, software is the games lol and xbox definately don't have a problem there! I think you mean hardware and it is not "complete"??? If xbox is so crap why has it stole large numbers of ps2 users and got a 18 million fanbase???


January 23, 2008
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msx commented:

Wow I better go buy a ps3 quickly! Thankfully I'm not american and not in your timezone but if I was up at that time I probably would still call you a retard for that 50 bucks a month comment it's hard to have a debate about something with a person with that level of ignorance. I've saw previews and I have to admit it will be pretty cool walking around talking to other users and all that but this is just a response to xbox's popular gamer tag system, the majority of people don't have headsets so it will suck balls having to type every convo. Xbox you just add their gamer tag and go into chat or chat to a friend on msn, or even video chat, simple as that.


January 23, 2008
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reality check commented:

Wow msx, the only thing you seem capable of doing is name calling! You logged on at 3a.m. just to call me a retard? Overheating? Check more into what you are talking about. 360 isn''t just overheating, it is having a complete software failure that is causing it to overheat! What else would you expect from the makers of vista. Oh, and grow up please. I have a feeling that you wouldn''t do all this name calling if these folks were standing infront of you. But let me help you start your response to this,"sony fanboy....idiot...retard...xbox live...b.s.....stupid...ha ha ha... lol..." C''mon is that really called for? p.s. as for the headset argument, (which was pretty weak by the way) When you can use a bluetooth head set in which millions of people already have why would you add it? When "home" goes live this year, let me know what you think of ps3''s online then. Admit it, it''s going to be huge!


January 23, 2008
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msx commented:

Live is not "50 bucks each month" you retard. This overheating thing is all that ps3 fans ever have but I think the thing that annoys them most is that they can't understand why xbox users still choose xbox over ps3 and the simple fact is online play. I don't know why ps3 does not issue a free headset, in a game like cod4 the atmosphere is unbelievable for xbox compared to ps3


January 22, 2008
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Just Me commented:

I'm a xbox user... but we need to be more real... MSX.. did yo know that the ps3 sold 3 million of ps3 just in US right? not worldwide and that the 360 doesn't reach the 18 worldwide either... people like you is who make us look more stupid with fanboy comments


January 22, 2008
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stigzy commented:

Gilgamesh .... wipes bills bum :P That was a silly comment xbot :P have fun whatever u use i say game on ...........


January 22, 2008
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stigzy commented:

I have had 2 xbox 360's crap out on me through 3 red light error..its a shame ........ yes its all well and good with them giving 3years warranty.. but truth be told systems should last longer than that ..SURELY My ps3 has out lasted 2 x360's lots of games ......but let down by hardware faults... also the 10million count is way off.....as most people i know have bought 2 ....SUCKERS ( just like me :( )but i have now binned them ..ps3 is gonna GROW...just as blue ray will GROW..and what does the 360 use ....dual layer DVD ....wow ...thats progress....NOT guess they shouldnt have rushed it out..Even now i miss live ...but at least im playing and things are just gonna keep getting better for ps-network...HOME. is where the heart is !!! :)


January 20, 2008
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sam commented:

Grand theft auto will be a console seller and the episodes are exclusive to xbox. Sonys 3 million users compared to xbox's 18 million for a single game like that means xbox could easily afford another price cut! Even if metal gear solid sold to every ps3 user this would be considered a failure to xbox with their massive user base.


January 20, 2008
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xbox-shadowhawk1156 commented:

have you checked my profile yet?


January 20, 2008
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mike commented:

bioshock, halo 3, gears of war, forza 2, mass effect which have all been awarded 9 or 10 out of 10 by independant games bodies. I thinks it's you who didn't do his homework!


January 20, 2008
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shadowhawk1156 commented:

yes they do, What''s diff, Halo? What a dissapointment!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU Take a look at the games they have now and you''ll see that most games have gone multi platform now. tha t coment holds no water anymore, and makes you sound like you haven''t done your home work.


January 20, 2008
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mike commented:

What a loser lol "my xbox red ringed again and LIVE is crap!" ps3 doesn't have the same games as xbox that's the problem!!!


January 20, 2008
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shadowhawk1156 commented:

I am an Xbox 360 owner if you can call it that..... I mean I will be again when I get my Xbox back from tx., were I sent it to be repaired after only owning it for about 6 mounts. This is the second time I red ringed... PS3 has almost all the same games as I have for my xbox that I get to look at on my game shelf collecting dust as I go into the second mounth of waiting for it to return. Oh, and I play cod4. Half the time the server can''t support the amount of people playing so you get booted or can''t even play!!!! I feel stupid for not having the patience to wait for the ps3, and not spending the extra money that would have bean so worth spending by now! If all that is better is xbox live, than I am no longer going to be a traitor to PS3 and do what Ishould have done in the first place. I''m selling my xbox360 with bioshock, cod4, marvelUA, fightnight round 3, forza 2,pirates, eragon, halo 2, Halo 3, oblivion, guitar hero 3, and viva piniata. with wireless controler, harddrive, wired controler, headset, all cables, inclooding Hd. All of it for 500 dollares, just enough for PS3 and 2 games. I Love to play it, but I still ply my ps2 that I have had for 4 years and never once had a problem with. I Would rather stick with a company who has always bean reliable for me. OF corse I can,t even sell the Xbox till I get it back. rbergin77@yahoo.com


January 20, 2008
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john commented:

If nobody is buying the ps3 now when it's technology is relatively new why will they buy it in 5 when it's out of date let alone 10 years. Please expain?


January 20, 2008
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mathew commented:

ps3 has more games,who getting online for free? who has a built in browser so we dont have to pay for downloads?its called envy the reason every one buys the 360 is the 270 price real gamers choose a system that does more than games if the ps3 only played games and thats it i wouldnt have bought one yes u have 18 million you also had a year head start well see in a couple years,by that time all 360 owners will run out and buy microsofts new system,me i want a system that has a 10= year life cycle


January 20, 2008
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john commented:

I was just looking that up, why are they doing so badly? It looks like the better console, what happened to all the ps2 users? The figures for nintendo are unbelievable, they beat sony and xbox put together!!!


January 19, 2008
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msx commented:

Well the offical figures are in for 2007 and the ps3 sold......2.56 million consoles! Ha ha ha ha ha! Look it up for yourself, it will be so much sweeter! And as for the blu ray? Hmmm do I want a massive george foreman on top of my TV where I have the pleasure of paying $20-$30 for a single disk or download them for a fraction of that? Bringing out these expensive disks is only going to speed up the process of the extinction of dvds just like cds


January 19, 2008
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matt commented:

xbox has 18 million users with 10 million on LIVE ($400 000 000 revenue alone) and a string of triple A titles with some like GOW still in the top 10. Even if every ps3 user buys the 5 or so exclusives coming out this year that won't even scratch the surface of the vast amount of xbox games being sold. It's the games sales revenue xbox is making that is destroying ps3 who are yet to even turn a profit.


January 19, 2008
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steve commented:

I love the way people say that. I own both but xbox is crap lol


January 19, 2008
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Dan commented:

It's kinda funny how all the guys that chose the Ps3 are trying so hard to peddle it to everyone else, what's the matter can't you find any buddies on Psn? I aint going to waiste my time doing free PR for Microsoft and all my friends already have 360's and if they aint around there's 10 million other dudes on XBL. Oh yer and some of you fanboys who claim to have both machines just so you appear to have some authority while you trash the other one, all i can say is you must have one hell of a dull life.


January 18, 2008
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Steve commented:

It''s funny how when this debate was between PS2 v Xbox1, with the Xbox having better hardware, more features and better reliability the Sony camp claimed that the games library was the only important factor to consider, well the fact is they were right then but i don''t see the Sony fanboys sticking to that principle now that they are the ones who are a year behind in games. It still works for me though, last gen i stuck with PS2 till a cheap pre-owned Xbox came my way and this gen i''ll be sticking with my 360 till i can get a cheap enough pre-owned PS3. It''s not like i''m missing anything right now anyway, i''ve had a chance to play nearly all the latest PS3 games on a friends console and the only one i might have bought was Warhawk but i''m pretty well saturated with multiplayer online games and it doesn''t even have a single player mode. Currently playing Mass Effect and COD4, looking forward to GTA4 + Exclusive episodes, Fable 2 and Fallout 3.


January 18, 2008
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gotjf commented:

I also TOTALLY AGREE with you on the beauty of the PS3, and what it offers! Nice Article


January 18, 2008
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Jonathan commented:

Why are there not more articles like this? Seriously the 360 pales in comparison to the ps3 and even this article fails to list all the reasons why ps3>360


January 18, 2008
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mathew commented:

i almost forgot about the format war ? there isnt one warner sealed the deal, cant wait to get transformers on bluray.


January 18, 2008
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mathew commented:

live vs psn yea u can download games and demos on both, can you get online and download any movie you want? ps3 yes 360 no, same with music ps3 yes 360 no, oh wait you can download movies and music on live but u have to pay for it me i like free as in free online gaming, am i fanboy nope got a xbox collecting dust does the 360 have better games and more of them yes they do right now, me im waiting for gt5, mgs4,dbz, gow3,rfom2,and on and on ,if what im saying is wrong hey let me no


January 18, 2008
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mathew commented:

everyone is talking about xbox live so whats better on live?i no the ps3 can download movies music photos for free can u do that on live? i have over 50 movies on mine , 12 games , about 200 songs and a crap load of pics, didnt pay a dime for any of them,i got a 42lcd to watch my bluray movies, so if you dont watch movies then dont buy a ps3 dont like the insane storage capacity that bluray has 100gig blurays are out now, you just want games only buy a wii or by a core 360, me i happy with my ps3 cause it does everything a 360 doesnt


January 17, 2008
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Winner commented:

Simply put. The PS3 and BLue Ray uses more advanced technology than HD-DVD. For console games this is very important because the LIFESPAN of the consoles is much longer than gaming technology develops. With HD-DVD a limit would be reach far sooner due to capacity issues than would be on BLue Ray. Simply put how many of you own a rotary phone? Or a cell phone that is not quad band on dual? How many have replaced a computer in the past five years? The Lifespan for the PS3 is 10 years with a new one being released within 7-8 years of that time frame. The Blue Ray Spec will allow pleny of time in new development in both the gaming industry and the entertainment industry far longer than HD-DVD would allow. It is not a question of how many people bought an XBOX 360. It was a question of How many HD-DVD addons were sold that decided things. Toshiba and Microsoft for the WHOLE YEAR of 2007 sold a total of 1.2 Million HD-DVD players and XBox 360 HD-DVD addon appliances. Sony sold over 2.6 Million PS3 in from November to December of 2007. All which came with a BLue Ray player. Those numbers decided it for Warner to go with Blue Ray because that is the MAJORITY being sold. HD-DVD does not mean the end to XBox360. It just means that game makers will be limited to less than 9G for a game title unless they wish to release multiple DVDs or use the obsolete HD-DVD add on. Both consoles are being leaped ahead in gaming by the PCs now. It is a leapfrog session. COnsoles out leap Computer games when a new console is released. As that console ages the COmputer games leap ahead because they contain the newer technology until a new console with newer tech is released. I like the fact that Blue Ray won. It offers more options in the future for consumers than basically standard that was DVD 2.0


January 17, 2008
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Jake commented:

Wow, fanboys on all sides and few bother to have a logical discussion. BluRay is superior technology, end of story. HD-DVD is more cost effective short to medium term, end of story. MS went with the cheapest and smartest solution available at release time. Gamers didn''t have to pay extra for a drive they didn''t want but at least had a choice of upgrade. Sony on the other hand was genius in trojan-horsing the BluRay in the PS3. I''m personally glad the superior technology has appered to have won out. Oh, and how dumb is MS now that they can simply create an external BluRay player and sell that? If you''re evaluating your choice of PS3 vs. 360 now, sure there is a very strong argument for PS3 a year later, with price drops, upgrades, an actual network, and finally some games. 2 years ago or last year at this time? Yeah, don''t go hatin'' on the Box because PS3 didn''t exist or wasn''t worth anything then. Games? FPS only on 360? Pure fanboy drivel. Oh, and go ahead and name me all of those super-duper awesome games you had for PS3 up until recently. Again, evaluating the future, sure PS3 is coming up strong with new games, but the 360 has just as an impressive lineup. Make decisions based on educated analysis, not on biased opinion.


January 17, 2008
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CRS1981 commented:

PS3 vs. xBox 360 is all fun but I still think the PC is better. The same game will play on machines from different vendors, on different operating systems, old PC?s, new PC?s, and even sometimes operating systems from different vendors. There are tons of options like storage space, video resolution, controllers, and wireless and wired network connections. On-line gaming is plentiful. There can be no argument about the variety and quality of games for the PC. The games that are $60 on the consoles are $40 for the PC. If they were all available (haven?t checked on HD-DVD drives lately), I could have CD, DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray optical drives all on the same PC. Yeah, the PC?s are a little more up front but I can?t do any real work on a console when I am not wasting my time playing a game. So, the xbox and PS3 both lose---PC?s rule! Anyway, they are just games, time for me to stop screwing around and get back.


January 17, 2008
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Phil D. commented:

Bets, PS-3, and now Blu-Ray ... Just the same old Sony trying to throw their weight around and monopolize the market. It's always the same formula ... Sony doesn't like to share so when a new idea comes out, they tweak it, patent the tweak, and then drive it through the system to make theirs the only standard thereby gaining all of the royalties. I try to avoid their stuff for that reason and stick with what I feel are better companies.


January 17, 2008
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On Anon commented:

5 Year limit on patents? Hmm. Makes me want to spend a year's worth of work developing something, another year wrestling with the patent system, and additional time getting the product to market so I can get less time as a "different" and therefore better product before some mook can legally use my idea for their profit. Suure Wilbur....


January 17, 2008
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stinger710 commented:

hey vicar blueray and hddvd is the same quality picture on 1080p no difference you moron


January 17, 2008
In response to: Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD and the Sony PS3 vs. Xbox-360
jake commented:

xbox 360 is currently outselling the ps3 by 200% worldwide and more than 300% here in the US. why? because it is a better system...game over SONY, you lost...and if MS does come out with a BD player for the 360 there will be absolutely 0 reasons to buy a PS3...call me a fanboy if you want but i'm a fanboy for a reason, along with the 10 million others in the world who have realized why the PS3 is a $500 POS


January 17, 2008
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krustykanuck commented:

I had owned all three gaming units: the XBOX360, PS3 and Nintendo Wii. I found I used the PS3 less so I sold it, and guess what? I don't miss it. I don't really care about Blu-Ray or HD-DVD as I never used any of my systems for that and I don't plan on paying $30+ for a movie any time soon. I think Apple and Microsoft have the future in mind in terms of downloadable content. In the future the HD may even be replaced by the flash drive when prices come down. Just because Blu-Ray currently has a higher capacity of HD-DVD doesn't mean it will be the future of home entertainment. I get a laugh at the fanboys for either PS3 or XBOX360. Lets look at our history here.... The PS2 had poorer capabilities than the XBOX, yet guess what? The PS2 outsold the XBOX... same goes with the history of any game system with Atari still outselling Colecovision... or Nintenod NES vs the better hardware of the Sega Master System. It all boils down to the games.....


January 17, 2008
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vicar commented:

the ps3 is better than the 360. blu-ray is better than hddvd. DONE.


January 17, 2008
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stinger710 commented:

todd comeon sony and ps3 has nothing repeat nothing even close to xbox live and xbox marketplace thats its biggest draw and your a fool if you bleieve anything else


January 17, 2008
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humanflash1983 commented:

First of all I am a fan of both systems and I must say this is an interesting topic. I really feel that right now as we speak the XBOX360 is a step ahead of the PS3. The reason why I say this is because the PS3 is a very pwerful system with a lot of features...for example Blu-Ray Player built-in, Wi-Fi built-in, Motion sensored controller (which it stole from the Nintendo''s WII sysytem)a PS3 menu button on the controller (which it stole from XBOX360) online achevements (which it stole from the XBOX360) and has reverse compatibility with most of its PS1 and PS2 games. Think about it for a second with all those features I just named off the XBOX360 still has the lead why is that? I think it is because of great sale strategy the XBOX360 is about $150.00 cheaper for it''s top model "The Elite" which has 40 Gigabytes more than the PS3''s 80gb model. This so called fast paced system the XBOX360, has planned and strategized to dethrone the videogaming industies first super power house in Sony, in the last 20 years Sony has owned the gaming industy knocking off companies like SEGA (with Saturn and Dreamcast) Nintendo (with N64 and Gamecube) and yes even Microsoft (with XBOX, because of bad maketing) Microsoft has done it''s and have figured out how to compete with the worlds most dominant Electronic company "SONY". I''m very interested in seeing the outcome of this very competative war Personally I think that it will be close after the next 4 to 5 years with Microsoft being on top by just a small margine. Look people the XBOX360 has struck at gold very quick with less features than Sony''s PS3 so obviously it is not the software that has people buying the XBOX360 its the game play, online gaming (which Microsoft evolutionized) and it''s original acheivments possibilities. Today gamers don''t need DVD players in HD or Blu-Ray all we really want is great gaming and great games and XBOX360 has all of the best, with the most Exclusives you can find on one system right now so right now XBOX360 is the leader of the gaming world but you never know what can happen in the next 5 years the Nintendo WII might even take the cake.


January 17, 2008
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tigertomspill commented:

360 does play hd it plays games and video in 1080p and 720p, plus it comes with the cables with the console which you have to buy for the ps3 because it only comes with the standard A/V. And 360 sell more games then the wii and ps3 because there are tons of games in all type of genera. I do agree that HD-DVD has been losing the war, blockbuster sells only Blue ray, Walmart is now only going to sell blue ray at the stores, and WB moving to only blue ray. so I think in the long run that blue ray will win out. I do think it was smart that Microsoft went with dvd because there was no clear standard. The only thing if games start utilizing the blue ray space then that will be the only disadvantaged for the 360. In some way ps3 is a good value for it built in wifi and blue ray player, but right now games and quality got to the 360 for now.


January 17, 2008
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Jordan commented:

ill have to go with 360. its online play is great. in fact it RAPES PS3s online gaming. Its a world renowned service and still never fails to amaze me. plus PS3 doesn't offer retro classics for download. and to top it off., the thing that is really sad is that halo 3 has sold more PS3 in the U.S. thats kinda sad when an entire console gets sold out by ONE game. ouch!


January 17, 2008
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Alexia commented:

In Europe most of us have high speed broadband so we simply download our HD movies and stream them to our HDTV. When sales of physical disks such as CD's and DVD's are dramatically down due to the internet, I don't see how bringing out a more expensive format such as blu ray will encourage us not to download for cheaper, surely this will encourage more people to the internet.


January 17, 2008
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sam commented:

Why is sony releasing a separate multiplayer game for Metal Gear Solid??? Surely they could fit this on their big blu ray disk? And it's sold seperate! Stunts like this are why I turned my back on sony this time round.


January 17, 2008
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Andy P commented:

I find your friends view of Xbox 360 owners offensive. Was that really necessary?


January 16, 2008
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L commented:

I agree why are people buying 360s.. Arent they still developing games on the standard dvd.. HMm which I mite assume has been pushed to the brink of double disk games.. 2nd generation games on the 360 dont even compare to ps3.. hmm uncharted anyone??? and that by my accont is 1st gen.. Hmm wierd what you can do with a powerful system and Blu ray disk.. unlike some developers.. COUGH EA COUGH.. Some are lazy I guess.. Well for those who want a high priced suped up ps2 the 360 is for you and for those who are actully wanting next gen gaming PS3 is for you..


January 16, 2008
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Gin commented:

The Ps3 has the widest range of upcoming games and please tell me the rage of the 360''s games even Mass Effect a RPG was adapted into a FPS style. The PS3 has littlebigplanet and if you look at sales PS3 is outselling the 360 every week because you have to keep in mind that the US is not the only territory to compete as the PS3 is outselling the 360 by around 100,000 units a week in Japan and PAL territories. Also the fact that microsoft makes you dependant on their brand of hard drive and then selling a 120GB one for $170 when you can get a 150GB hard drive independently for $90. The 360 is more expensive in the long term as you have to pay to be online around $150 for a life membership and $100 dollars for wi-fi make the total cost if the 360 itself costs $250 (for the medium priced model) then the total cost is $500 when the PS3 has all that + a blu-ray player for $400. All I have to conclude is that of all three companies Microsoft is the most money grabbing and that is why it won''t get any of mine.


January 16, 2008
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JD commented:

I own multiple copies of both HD DVD and Blu-ray (PS3) players and agree that the outstanding video quality is comparable in both formats. However, for burning optical media in Blu-ray, Sony has certainly dropped the ball so far. Their initial offering (BWU-100A) at $750 was such a success that it was recalled shortly after launch ...current PC drive solution (BWU-200S) is still pricey at $600 and blanks are not cheap. Yes, CD?s and standard DVD?s started the same way, but when there?s an existing cost-effective solution to high-def burning and Blu-ray is years behind, that is disappointing ...especially, since Sony has now exerted it?s muscle, coerced the opposing studios, and essentially eliminated the competition. Well, at least Toshiba/HD DVD survived long enough to force Blu-ray hardware and software prices down prematurely.


January 16, 2008
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Art commented:

Im gonna have s3x with my Bluray playing ps3 while it plays sopranos season 6 disk 2 on it :/


January 16, 2008
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inuk2600 commented:

Let's clear something up about Blu-Ray. All future Blu-Ray movies will play perfectly fine on profile 1.0 players (the old ones). You simply won't be able to use the advanced features like picture-in-picture (profile 1.1, who cares anyways), or online interactivity (profile 2.0, again, who really cares anyways). The movies will play just perfectly in all it's 1080p glory.


January 16, 2008
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boots commented:

"I like the cheaper duplication costs and at least some potential for cost-effective burners in our PCs. " Hey sh1thead, duplication costs are already the same since technology has allowed CD and DVD replication plants to be converted easily to Blu-ray plants, just like HD-DVD. Even more, burnable Blu-ray discs are cheaper, especially on a per GB basis. The cost of hardware, like in any technology, will have to go down. The argument of "cost versus progress" is the weakest one could offer in favor of HD-DVD, followed by "interactivity" which is a gimmick when talking about HDTV. FUD for the lose!


January 16, 2008
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Matt commented:

Concerning games for the two systems... they both have good games, 360 has alot more FPS' but that's what consumers are demanding. The argument that the 360 is better because it has more games is rubbish. In terms of number of games 360 has more but unless you're bed ridden and have nothing to do all day ( and night maybe) then you shouldn't have a problem with running out of games to play. Considering that the 360 has been out longer than the PS3 I would be surprised if it didn't have more games, but more doesn't mean better. The PS2 has more games than the 360 but I'm not going to try and argue that it's better than the 360. When it comes to variety though both the 360 and PS3 have it covered. If one system has that random game that the other one doesn't have, hurray for it. How many people are playing that one random game? All in all if you want to get a system that is awesome right now and you don't care that it will be obsolete in a year's time than go with the 360, it's an awesome system right now, especially if you like FPS'. Of course most FPS fans that i know refuse to play them on consoles and swear by PC's, so.... Otherwise go for the PS3. If the format war is over and blu ray won than the support for the PS3 will be great. More devellopers are going to want to produce for a system they know will be around for a while.


January 16, 2008
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Matt commented:

I'm finding that people are commenting on the fact that the PS3 has a blu ray player and that they will/would never watch it. It''s the same with the XBox and PS2, that even though it could play DVD''s you''d never use it for that. Well consider that neither Sony nor Microsoft made these consoles as a movie player. The fact that these consoles play CD''s/DVD''s/Blu-Ray''s is due to the format choice that the company chose to go with. When Playstation originally came out it used CD''s and could play music CD''s. The games on the system at first didn''t even use the full 700mb on the CD, but by the end it was at it''s limit. So it was necessary for Sony to uprgrade to the DVD format for the PS2, as well as Microsoft for the XBox. Of course when these two systems came out games where using the full DVD for games. But as of now both the PS2 and the Xbox are near the full capacity of the DVD format. So Sony has recognized this limitation and has upgraded to Blu-ray, not for HD movies, but so that as we the consumers demand more from our systems, they will be able to provide us with more. Microsoft on the other hand has chosen to not upgrade past the DVD for their games.


January 16, 2008
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Haligonian commented:

LOL _ I stream media with Media Centre as well and Xbox had DivX before the PS3. Too bad PSN is ass! 10 million ppl on LIVE. Have fun playing MSG by yourself nerd boy. Get with the program and get on the bus to fun town!


January 16, 2008
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me commented:

if the 360 only has one type of game, why is the game to console ratio so much higher than the ps3. that guy is a clown with ZERO cred. the ps3 is a joke. wifi? great...for the vast minority of console gamers online. no hdd in the 360? uh...again, anal-cranialitis is setting in. The 360 has a standard hdd in their premium model that the idiot said was a little less than the ps3. the model he was talking about w/o the hdd is the core model which is hundreds less than the ps3. Finally, ANYONE predicting the "winner of the format war" with less than 2% penetration is a professional clown. hope this helps.


January 16, 2008
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wes commented:

"at least some potential for cost effective burners for our PC's" Are you serious? You can already buy a range of BluRay burners made by a variety of companies but there isn't a single HD-DVD burner on the market for the PC. That obviously means BluRay is the one to go for if PC burning is your thing especially seeing as they have a 50gb capacity.


January 16, 2008
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LogicPTK commented:

I like your thinking.

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