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Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding

February 19, 2009

I got a note last night from my FAE (field application engineer) buddy Jon Dutra. He was helping a customer with some board layout problems. He sent along some general rules he advises people on regarding printed circuit board (PCB). Jon’s notes:

Trace impedance is an RF term , distributed L and C forms a characteristic impedance for a trace or wire. In an audio circuit the trace lengths are short compared to an audio wavelength, even for most switchers the trace lengths are short compared to the wavelength, or periods. I mostly deal with these as "Lumped impedances" ( Capacitance etc) It may be useful to deal with a few traces as controlled impedance, especially outputs, but the rest get the rules of thumb for circuits below 5 MHz. Now there are a few "Rules of thumb for circuits below 5 MHz" …………………………

  • The smaller the signal, the smaller you want the node (Microphone inputs are very small signal)
  • The higher the node impedance (Z), the smaller you want the node.
  • The higher the gain from the node, the smaller you want the node. (By small node I mean narrow, short trace)
  • Op amp inputs, especially the negative input, are VERY sensitive nodes, ( high Z and high gain) and should be made as short / small as possible.
  • Op amp outputs are low impedance, they can generally be routed "anywhere".
  • Solid ground planes are your friend for rejecting RF

Rules of thumb for circuits above 5 MHz", extensions, when frequencies (usually logic) exceed 5 MHz and / or trace lengths are longer than 6 inches.

  • Here controlled impedance makes sense.
  • I love source termination for 90% of my signal propagation needs.
  • You do not need an exact impedance match. I generally put 30 ohms in series with all logic gate outputs if I am at all concerned about EMI on that line, right at the source.
  • I generally put 30 OHMS in series with all amplifier outputs (outside the loop) if I am at all concerned about EMI on that line, right at the source.
  • Of course that resistance can be modified, down or up, once board is fabbed, but if 30 ohms does not work you have other issues ! (Like race conditions or critical timing or heavy loads).
  • Yes 30 ohms is not the trace impedance, no big deal in 99 % of applications.
  • The load(s) are generally not terminated, or terminated in 10 K ohms or more.

There are other advantages to source termination as well……….

  • Only one resistor.
  • It provides great signal swing.
  • It provides inherent short circuit protection.
  • It isolates the source from complex reactive loads.
  • It provides damping on the line.
  • It terminates the line for RF circuits. The longest reflection is only twice the line length.
  • It low-pass filters the line, reducing EMI.
  • And all it costs is a resistor in series with the output.

It is not perfect however ….

  • It limits the maximum power from the source, possibly good, possibly bad.
  • It slows down any edge, possibly adding jitter.
  • But again, if it is a problem, use ten ohms or zero ohms.

There is a lot of good stuff here but I really like Jon’s comment about how a continuous ground plane, with no slots or cuts or divisions into an “analog” side and a “digital” side. In my 20 years of consulting I had always found that having a continuous ground plane was essential, especially in high-speed design. It was only when I heard signal-integrity consultant Henry Ott give a lecture a few years ago did I hear that same sentiment being voiced by people with big-time credentials. Henry used to work at Bell Labs and was in their Long Lines division.

At the DesignCon show this month not a single person on a panel or speaker recommended cutting up the ground (reference) plane. They said it is best to have separate power planes but if you have to cut them up, they tried to give rules. There was one guy in the audience that just did not believe that you should not cut up the ground plane, he had read it in so many app notes. He did not understand the IC designer’s problem of bond-wire impedance– he figured if the chip had an AGND and a DGND that meant he was supposed to have two ground planes.

One of the panelists had my exact experience when I consulted– the more cut up the planes the more money you could make stitching them back together. This does not disparage Jon’s method of top-side pours for switcher ground tied to the real ground at the common of the output cap (see figure 5 and 6 and associated text).

And I pretty much got an entire panel to admit the audio guys are wrong with single-point grounding. I still don’t think they understood fully my point that no circuit is 20kHz. Every single circuit on earth is 1.8GHz since that is the cell phone frequency you have to keep out of your signal path. Sure, doing a full reference-plane ground scheme might make the Audio Precision readout 0.0006% distortion rather than 0.0004%, but then again, you won’t hear zzzzzdt zzzzzdt zzzdddtrtsz every time your cell phone negotiates with the tower. It turns out that this was the exact problem that one of his customers was having that prompted Jon’s note to me. I should also mention how we are seeing more and more systems designed to have the power and ground planes on the outer layers, with all the signals shielded within on the inner layers. That is the problem with single-point ground schemes, it makes many if not all of the ground runs high impedance. As National’s Ed Fong reminded me at lunch yesterday, the wavelength of a propagating signal is divided by the square root of the dielectric constant. So if FR-4 has an e of 4.7 that means the wavelengths are about half as long as in free air. This is shy you only need a centimeter or so of PCB trace to make a dandy antenna that can pick up cell-phone frequencies.

Oh, and Jon mentioned National’s EMI resistant op-amps, the LMV831, 832 and 834.

Posted by Paul Rako on February 19, 2009 | Comments (13)

February 8, 2010
In response to: Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding
Install Communication Software commented:

Very good information thank you. Bookmarking this page.


February 8, 2010
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Gloriacgw commented:

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February 6, 2010
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Install Software commented:

Another great post. Thanks for the tips and help. Everyone, bookmark this site.


February 4, 2010
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Install Software commented:

Another great post. Thanks for the tips and help. Everyone, bookmark this site.


December 28, 2009
In response to: Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding
Mikey commented:

I have been laying out low frequency high impedance (12 Tera ohms) boards for a while and the fact is that very few companies allow for engineers to try different layout theories unless something doesn?t work as planned. I have solved problems using split planes, but in reality good component placement probably is what improved my designs. Can you think like an electron to predict current flow?


March 3, 2009
In response to: Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding
Dave Baldwin commented:

A car stereo company I worked for insisted on using the top ground plane for both the low current input signals and the high current output signals. Until they finally ran separate output ground wires (12awg), the amps acted squirrelly and sounded funny. Even with a "low impedance" ground plane, 5 amps of output current will modulate 10 microamps of input current.


March 3, 2009
In response to: Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding
Philip Oakley commented:

For the audio and grounding stuff a really good video lecture is at tv.theiet.org/technology/electronics/1048.cfm This was given by Bill Whitlock of Jensen Transformers. As he points out, the laws of physics will win. All you have to do is identify the real circuit and the real components, not just the ones indicated on the circuit diagram ...


March 2, 2009
In response to: Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding
Darren Holdstock, UK commented:

Ex-colleague and EMC expert Roy Ediss gave a wonderful demo of current flowing through a ground plane: He had a double-sided PCB with a single, winding track on one side, and a solid ground plane on the other. He'd send a signal of a few MHz through the curvy track, and with an EM sniffer he'd trace the current flow through the ground plane on the other side. The return current followed the path of the wiggly track exactly, as it was following the path of least impedance, given that a conductor doubled back on itself has zero inductance. The lesson was, make sure your signal traces don't pass over breaks in the ground plane if you want control over your return currents.


February 27, 2009
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T. Mathews commented:

I've always preferred a solid ground plane because I'm not smart enought to understand how all the currents are flowing when there are cuts in the ground plane. It is true that return currents are multiplexed on the solid ground but at least I'm sure that it is a very low impedance path for all signals. In some cases I've used top side ground islands, but only when I was certain that I understood where the currents were flowing and why.


February 20, 2009
In response to: Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding
M. Simon commented:

It really is a matter of thinking of the currents in your circuit. Keep the high current flows away from the low current flows. Isolated sub-supplies are also very helpful - when you can afford them.


February 19, 2009
In response to: Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding
John L commented:

good info.. I also know Jon Dutra, good guy. However, "rules of thumb" are generally useful to those who work on products in only a limited field. As soon as your audience becomes larger, it''s value decreases..... In this case - above / below 5 mhz, doesn''t address high power / high voltage. We had a design that had a problem that would only be addressed by removing of ground plane. And the signal was only 28vdc @ 2 amps!.. When the board (in an airplane cockpit!) was at higher temps (runway in desert) the 100mil trace above the ground place would start to deteriorate , actually the FR4 would start to deteriorate... Result, the trace stated burning down it''s own lenght - like a fuse!.. the trace was protected with 2amp fuse, but the failure never caused it to blow... The only solution: remove the ground plane below the trace. ...... the real fun, it happened while the plane was landing! (cockpit full of smoke!)... lesson: don''t depend on "rules of thumb".


February 19, 2009
In response to: Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding
M. Thoren commented:

Good blurb, Paul. Any propaganda in favor of not hacking up ground planes is good propaganda.


February 19, 2009
In response to: Board layout guidelines from National Semi’s Jon Dutra and the mistake of single-point grounding
rjr commented:

Paul I love your articles and read every one I come across. Down to earth and cuts thru all the bull! Keep up the good work!

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