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"How long should a TV last" and my new “Electronics Products Obituary”

August 29, 2007

Hi folks, one of my most popular blog posts “How long should a TV last?” still has legs and I’m happy to see is gathering comments many months after I wrote it. I originally wrote it for three reasons: First, my TV was busted and I was MAD because I had shell out lots of cash for a new one (though the new is very cool); Second, I’ve always wondered about the validity of what the conspiracy theory types call “built in obsolescence” (building circuitry into a product so that it fails after a given time and thus requires the user to purchase another–wonder if there is some secret convention or something?) And as a side reason, what types and how many comments a less esoteric topic such as TV reliability would garner (It’s what our Margery Conner once called “Click Whoring”). I came up with the name of the blog post because after my TV died, I Googled the question “How long should a TV last?” and was sadly dissipointed to see little of interest under that heading. I’m happy to see that indeed months after, the post still has had legs and is serving as bragging post as well as a vetting post.

In particular, I found the latest comment on the blog very interesting. It’s from someone going by the handle “Noel,” expressing the same angst I felt when my Panasonic died a premature death. Here is Noel’s comment cut and pasted:

“Just under four years ago, I purchased a Sharp Aquos 20" TV. It cost in the region of $2000. Two months ago it powered up to a blank screen and instantly powered off. Sharp are not interested, as it is out of warranty. Local service engineers I have called won’t touch it. Spare parts to rectify the problem could cost anywhere between $600 and $1500, depending on the nature of the fault. Mel, if you expect your Sharp TV to last beyond five years, you are engaging in wishful thinking. When the inverter board goes, or the cold-cathode lamp goes, expect to be told that you will need a new LCD unit - at a cost similar to that you originally paid for the TV. Even so-called premium brands are churning out worthless, cheap junk these days, which is why I will NEVER AGAIN pay more for the false perception that I am buying quality when I buy Sony, Sharp or any one of the big names. While environmentalists are happy to bleat on ad-nauseum about the scientifically dubious idea of man-made global warming, the deliberate and environmentally damaging wastefulness known as planned obsolescence goes on unchallenged.”

It’s interesting how many other folks wrote in about their older TVs lasting decades.

So, given all this, one has to wonder with all the leakage issues in advanced ICs and leakage creating heat and heat creating leakage, potentially snowballing into thermal runaways, if the defect rates of these devices will increase. That may not be so bad if you are the captains of the consumer products industry trying to sell more TV units, but what does it mean for other products. I wonder what it means for testing and reliability too? A chip may work great in test in the fab and product may be feature rich…but I can’t help but think the big question we will all be asking or should be asking is: how long will it work?

So I’ve been thinking maybe someone should create a site called the “Electronics Products Obituary,” where folks can list the purchase and death dates of products along with cause of defect/death. Then maybe some of the consumer product cats would put a bit more time and effort into quality?

In fact, feel free to start here. List your crappy electronics products. Give the Name of the product, price you paid, approximate date of purchase, date of defect and how it died. Short and sweet so folks can find it quickly.

 

Posted by Michael Santarini on August 29, 2007 | Comments (32)

April 16, 2010
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February 11, 2010
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JamesDX commented:

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December 9, 2009
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Bobazonski commented:

My parents (I say this because I wasn't born at the time) bought a JVC AV-2779S 27" TV. Manufacture date stamped on the back: July 1989. It's so old that it was made in the USA (By the way, JVC doesn't do this anymore, so don't get your hopes up). Today, you can't find a brand that sells American made TVs (there was one, but it went under).


August 8, 2009
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got riped off commented:

Bought a 42 inch philips plasma and it died after 3 years....I was lucky because the hundreds and hundreds of other posters said theirs did not last as long....look up any TV brand and I bet you that they now last about 2-3 years. I wonder what will happen to all the landfills...you can't buy a crt anymore jsut tvs that shit out after just a few years. So when all TVs in the world shit out after 2+ years, where will they all go?


July 27, 2009
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RCL 27 inch TV commented:

Bought in1990. Still picture perfect, receiving Digital TV with digital converter.


March 23, 2009
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Jim commented:

YEs, another Sharp Aquos TV bites the dust after just five years and a mere 10000hours viewing. Put this into context....my first "green" light bulb purchased nearly 25 years ago has only just died! Previous TVs had gone on ad infinitum. All I can say is that I'm about to try suing under the Consumer Protection Act 1979, Section 14....which states that a product, irrespective of warranty, should demonstrate "durability".


December 26, 2008
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jimbo commented:

Samsung 40" lcd tv lns4015d didn't make even 2 years before panel went. Samsung was not helpful. I do have 3 tube tvs that are 20+ years old and never a problem


October 27, 2008
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Lisa commented:

I have a small 13 inch television (has not died yet) It is an Electrohome TV. Not sure if the brand still exists or not. However, a friend told me that my small 13 inch tv is over 15 years old. It still works, and no, I don't care about the size. I will keep using it until it decides to kick the bucket. In the meantime, I will just enjoy unlimited and countless hours of entertainment and educational shows, etc that i watch on it. Just wondering, How long can i expect my tv to live (keep going)? I'm just kind of curious, so i can have some sort of idea about when I would expect to have to buy a new TV?


October 12, 2008
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jesus commented:

May be olanned obselesance does not exist but some components have a "service life". Take auto tires. Tires have a wear life or tread depth that wears as you drive on them. Tire life is also shorten by improper inflation and heat cycles. Yes, tires cannot be store forever. Couple of years and tires are ready for trash heap. In electronic capacitors are like tires. Capacitors are the weak link. They fail with "heat cycles" or usage. Yes, like tires capacitors cannot be stored forever due to leakage, small but still present. Now if we could do maintenance on electronics by being able to cheaply replace weak parts before they fail...or over design to have weak components working in the lower range of their service specs....naw that would be too expensive.


September 15, 2008
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chamroeun commented:

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June 25, 2008
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jamie commented:

MATSUI 14"tv bought 1987, still working daily no probs ever, matsui VHS recorder, bought 1993, still working perfect, however im on my 8th dvd burner unit as they have ALL died! i find myself useing my vcr again for random tv recoring as it works everytime, unlike the new dvd recorders, i do perchace film on dvd not tape tho now


June 11, 2008
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Elec commented:

Hi, As a reliability analyst in the electronics field I believe that planned obselesance DOES NOT EXIST. It is exceedingly hard to get electronics parts to last for long periods of time. TVs today are larger and incorporate new technologies. For this reason, they don't last as long. Ten years from now, I am certain, LCDs and Plasmas will last as long as your old CRT did. The data on electronic componant life is collected by two groups: Fides in Europe and RIAC in the United States. Please ask for a mean time befor failure (MTBF) next time you buy a TV. You won't likely get one but if enough of us ask the vendors will get the message that reliability matters to TV buyers.


May 2, 2008
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CRT Rules commented:

Iiyama VisionMaster Pro17" bought in 1993, still works fine to this day and is as sharp with the pixels from when I got it out of the box. Sharp Aquos 42" HDTV, bought May 07 and one year later is needing an engineer to come today to replace inverter fault on backlight.


March 22, 2008
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radiojerry commented:

The handheld TV from Sony called "The Watchman" finally died after 23 years of service. Bought it in early 1985 with my first credit card at JCPenney. Back when they sold TVs and stereos. On the other hand my satellite radio bought March 2005, gave up on me last fall. Just 2 and half years, such a waste, the unit, not the service.


September 8, 2007
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RomanB commented:

Besides thermal runaway issues, there is designed in obsolescence. Years ago, SAW filters used hermetic sealed packaging which cost $1. Now, TV sets have plastic packaged SAW filters which engineers know start to degrade, due to moisture penetration, even if the TV set is not being used. The cost savings is about $0.20 per set!


September 3, 2007
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John Styles commented:

Bought Sony VPL-HS2 home cinema projector at a cost of £1200. Replaced lamp at a cost of £200 after 2000 hours use (fair enough), but this then revealed a 'bleed' within the Blue LCD panel. This got progressively worse, until the projector became unuseable. Sony unwilling to concede that there is a 'design' problem - despite the fact that a web search reveals this is quite common. While working the projector was great, but the cost of ownership for 2 years and 2 months is way too high. I will not buy Sony again.


September 2, 2007
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Polyspace commented:

Waffle Iron: Parents bought used at a yard sale when older brother was born (1974-ish). Replaced power cord 2001- still makes delicious waffles!


September 1, 2007
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Taz commented:

I have an RCA color TV with remote that is 25 years old and still kicking. Its color has faded a bit but still works great. All the other TVs we bought since then died and were replaced. The one in the living room is the 6th replacement for that room. I also have a TEAC cassette player that is 28 and a Peavy amp that I bought in 1976 that still works.


August 31, 2007
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James Ingraham commented:

Tom in Silicon Valley said: "Today''s stuff is not made so well." Everyone here seems to have a collective "remember the hits, forget the misses" mentality. How cameras built 30 years ago died quick deaths? Tons! But when you have one last that long it sticks out in your mind. I have plenty of modern devices (electronic and otherwise) that are holding up quite well. The good ol'' days aren''t as good as you think, and now ain''t nearly as bad.


August 31, 2007
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Chris commented:

Bryston amplifiers, made in Canada, 20 year warranty. exception: DSP circuitry in pre-amps have 5 year warranty. I can live with this, if it does fail after 5 years or more I wouldn''t mind getting the latest DSP software. Keep in mind that the rest of the pre-amp would still be under 20 year warranty. Power amplifiers and non-DSP pre-amplifiers still have a full 20 year warranty. Now that is a company which still stands behind it's product! By the way, my mother still uses my 1978 Yamaha reciever and it still works fine!


August 31, 2007
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Andy S. commented:

Purchased 1988 Jeep Cherokee, 260K mi+ still running (brakes, and two water pumps, alternator nothing else major). Purchased 2004 Toyota Camry, 60K mi automatic transmission went out ($4000). I think this article holds true for cars as well.


August 31, 2007
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Tom commented:

Sony 19" TV. Purchased ~ 1978. Had to replace regulator about every 2 years, until I just decided to throw it out. No Sony TVs for me anymore. Have a Sharp 27" Aquos LCD. Purchased in 2006. Still running. HP21 calculator, purchased in 1974, still running after battery replacement. Apple Ti 400 MHz Powerbook. Purchased in 2001. Still running as a slow internet machine.


August 31, 2007
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willwill commented:

Product: SONY mini Stereo System #1. Purchased: 1996. Died: 2004. Wont read CD or play tape. Radio only works under manual setting mode. Product: SONY mini Stereo System #2. Purchased: 2003. Died: not yet but not well functional. Breaks tapes and skipps CD from time to time. Expect it to die soon. Product: Panasonic walkman. Purchased: 2002. Died: 2003 just out of warranty. breaks tapes. Dont trust consumer electornics from Japan that much anymore.


August 31, 2007
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BobM commented:

Yes Yes Early Hp calculators. Still have my HP35 (purchased 1974)but batteries died long ago. Still have my HP15C Purchased 1987. Sony console 32" bought 1988. Gave to Goodwill 2006 when I went to Plasma. Broke my heart.


August 31, 2007
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Rick commented:

Ah HP calculators... Product: HP-15C. Purchased: 1987. Died: Still going (thankfully). Have backup 15C just in case. Product: HP-32. Purchased: 1988 (required for college). Died: 1994 (or was it'93). No longer powered up. Liked the 15C better so didn't care that much.


August 31, 2007
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msquared commented:

Playstation 3 close to $700. Bought Jan 07. Died May 07. I have sent it back to Sony for evaluation. Even though it is under a 1 year warranty, if the failure was due to overheating then the warranty is null and void. The Playstation sat in an air conditioned house. If it overheated it was because of a design fault!


August 31, 2007
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Rick commented:

Product: RCA 27" TV. Purchased: 1992. Died: not yet. Product: RCA 25" TV (parents). Purchased: 1979. Died: replaced picture tube 5 years ago, still going. some channel keypad buttons have stopped working. The older TVs do seem to last.


August 31, 2007
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Tom in Silicon Valley commented:

My TV is a Sony video monitor that I bought for my Commodore Amiga in 1985. Still works fine. My stereo receiver is a Carver purchased in 1984. It had to be repaired once, after a lightning strike, but after that it was as good as new. I have 30-year-old film cameras that still work, but a digital Nikon D70 suffered repeated focusing problems and lasted only a couple years. Today's stuff is not made so well. I agree with the comment that brand names don't mean as much anymore. The big-name companies have foolishly eroded their reputations for quality by cheapening their products and outsourcing manufacturing to subcontractors.


August 30, 2007
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HPForever commented:

Product: HP-35 scientific Calculator Purchased: October 1973 Died: Not yet (34 and still kicking out logarithms!) One of the best electronic devices ever made. Product: Sansui 7000-X Stereo AM/FM Receiver Purchased: May 1973 Died: Not yet (also 34!) One of the most bulletproof audio amp designs I have ever encountered.

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