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Thin-Air ATSC (And NTSC): The De-Boost (Or Over-Boost) Debacle

August 14, 2008

The latest in an ongoing series

As I mentioned last Friday, I’ve been temporarily using Antennas Direct’s CPA 19 amplifier in an attempt to boost the over-the-air broadcast signal strength that reaches my home office from Reno-area transmission sites. The CPA 19 explicitly disregards low-band VHF, but that’s ok in my particular case; all of the region’s ATSC signals are high-band VHF or UHF. And I can tell from visual inspection of the before-and-after KRXI (Fox affiliate on NTSC channel 11) analog picture that the CPA 19 is delivering some benefit…thought I’m still not able to snag KOLO’s (ABC affiliate on ATSC channel 9) nearby-tower digital signal.

But since my agreement with Antennas Direct was for the CPA 19 to be loaner-only, I went ahead and ordered Motorola’s model 484095-001-00 signal booster from Amazon last week. Judging from overall positive customer feedback on sites like Amazon and Buy.com, I hoped I’d have a successful end result. Alas, the converse was the case. Not only could I still not receive KOLO, I was no longer able to receive KRNV, either. KRNV = NBC. NBC = Olympics. This is a problem.

Disconnecting the ‘booster’ fortunately restored KRNV’s signal. So what’s going on here? Judging from the overwhelming positive feedback on the Motorola 484095-001-00, I don’t think that the product is faulty in design (though I suppose I could have a defective unit). Here’s my alternative theory: note that KRNV is one of the two ATSC transmissions that I’ve been able to receive from the very beginning of this experiment, even though my antenna was substantially off-axis from KRNV’s tower at the time.

I later re-oriented my antenna directly at the Slide Mountain tower cluster that includes KRNV’s equipment, thereby (presumably) further boosting the station’s received signal strength at my location. And then, in striving to successfully tune in KRNV’s next-door tower neighbor, KOLO, I inserted an active signal booster into the coax cable chain. I suspect that as a result, I actually ended up with an excessive-signal-strength situation on KRNV, which overloaded my tuner’s pre-amp and thereby degraded reception.

Please note that this (or for that matter, anything I’ve discussed so far in this series) isn’t an ATSC-only issue…in fact, I’ve frequently found that where I was able to receive both the NTSC and ATSC version of a signal (with KRXI, for example), the digital version was far preferable. With that said, I welcome your alternative theories as to the root cause of my Motorola ‘booster’ setback. And have I mentioned yet how much I detest RF stuff?

Sigh.

p.s…For another amusing-and-saddening tale of television reception woes and creative solutions, check out this CommVerge writeup from late 2002.

Posted by Brian Dipert on August 14, 2008 | Comments (4)

February 5, 2010
In response to: Thin-Air ATSC (And NTSC): The De-Boost (Or Over-Boost) Debacle
Install Software commented:

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August 30, 2008
In response to: Thin-Air ATSC (And NTSC): The De-Boost (Or Over-Boost) Debacle
Mike M commented:

Using a cable TV amplifier could be causing problems as cable TV has additional channels that are not used for broadcast TV. As it seems you are having significant overload problems with the cable TV amp, and since your TV Fool plot shows stronger signals than I would recommend for the best pre-amps (e.g. CM7777), I am going to recommend the Winegard HDP-269 pre-amp. It doesn''t have tons of gain (12dB), but it is the most overload resistant model that I know of. Note that tons of gain on an amp is only needed if you have very long cable runs and/or lots of splits. It can''t make the antenna any better than it is, though small gains are useful in overcoming noise figures even on short cable runs. Still, I don''t see that you installed a VHF 7-13 antenna? I expect that would go a long way towards solving the KOLO problem. In Mystic, CT, I was not able to get WTNH on 10 at all with an antenna that supposedly had VHF capabilities (Winegard HD-1080), but the Winegard YA-1713 gets it just fine. Note that KOLO will be turning off analog 8 in January, in advance of the 2/17/09-2/18/09 transition. I''m assuming they will have DTV 8 ready soon after that. So maybe that will help if you can''t get 9 to work until then.


August 27, 2008
In response to: Thin-Air ATSC (And NTSC): The De-Boost (Or Over-Boost) Debacle
gjd commented:

The motorola amp is extremely broadband. Perhaps some of the LOW Band signals or even cell phone signals are overloading the amp.


August 14, 2008
In response to: Thin-Air ATSC (And NTSC): The De-Boost (Or Over-Boost) Debacle
TV_Guy commented:

I tend to agree with alternety because there seems to be at least 3 channels adjacent to each other: 7,8 and 9. The basic problem could be tuner front end overload from those channels (and possibly others). This could be severe enough cause excessive uncorrectable errors on KOLO. When the booster is added, it just makes the situation worse causing other channels to be distorted and lost. I think the idea of adding attenuation would be a good test.

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