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Thick-Air ATSC: A Dearth Of Reception Leaves Me Feeling Uneasy

November 19, 2009

A sea level follow-up to my long-running high altitude ‘Thin-Air ATSC’ blog series, which culminated in a recent cover story

I’ve reviewed a lot of products and usage scenarios over the years, with a diversity of results logged to date. But I don’t know if I’ve ever been more disappointed than I am this evening as I write these words. Although, to be abundantly clear, I’m not near as annoyed as this guy apparently was.

My friend whose been acting as my tech guinea pig of late doesn’t have any sort of subscription television service, and she owns a 25" CRT with a 4:3 aspect ratio and integrated NTSC tuner. She is, in a few words, a prime candidate for a DTV converter box. So earlier today, I finally fired up the four systems that I’d told you I was going to purchase last October, obtained one month later, and analyzed in case-study form earlier this year.

The high-level details of her nearby broadcasters (with specifics kept secret for privacy reasons), courtesy of HDTV Antenna Labs (with thanks to Engadget for the website heads-up) are as follows:

Network

Channel

Power

Distance

Azimuth

CBS

8 (VHF)

19.8

14 miles

184°

PBS

26 (UHF)

475.

64 miles

357°

FOX

19 (UHF)

322.8

29 miles

144°

NBC

40 (UHF)

370.

29 miles

144°

ABC

10 (VHF)

20.7

14 miles

184°

As you can see, the likelihood of getting PBS is remote in the absence of an antenna rotor, but VHF broadcasters CBS and ABC are clustered together to the southeast of her location, with the UHF transmitters from Fox and NBC similarly linked due south of and roughly twice as far away from her as are their VHF peers.

She, like most folks, doesn’t have a functional antenna on her roof. So instead I fired up two top-of-television antennas: a Radio Shack ATV 1000 VHF/UHF/FM combo:

And a simple UHF-only unit, which came bundled with the Sansonic FT-300A that I also tested today:

The other two STBs I fired up were the AccessHD DTA-1080D:

And Dish Networks’ TR-40 CRA:

Unfortunately, my earlier reported over-enthusiasm with thermal paste/grease, as I’d feared, rendered the Apex Digital DT502 unusable:

It’d power on and off (as determined by the green-vs-red front panel LED color transitions) both via the front panel power button and from a remote control button press, but it obdurately refused to output any sort of display.

My friend lives in a one-story home. Her next-door-neighbor’s single-story home is directly to the south of her (i.e. only a few feet away), a close proximity that admittedly might attenuate the signal coming from ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC’s towers. And admittedly, too, I have no idea what television reception was like at her location back in the NTSC days. But judging from my own extensive experience with the topic, I expected to be able to at least sporadically tune in the four incoming signals.

My optimistic expectations were speedily dashed. I tried all three converter boxes, each with both antennas in a variety of orientations and, with the Radio Shack unit, at both low and high gain settings. The consistent result in all cases, after many hours of experimentation: zero signal strength, on all channels. Unbelievable.

Techies will undoubtedly scoff at my minimalist setup, perhaps suggesting that I should instead mount a massive antenna on the roof (complete with a rotor, of course), and string coax cable from there down to the living room. They miss the point. Such a solution isn’t even remotely palatable to the masses. The masses don’t thrill at the adventure of debugging problems and figuring out clumsy but functional solutions. They just want to watch television. And when the cheap top-of-set antenna that used to work fine no longer does so post-NTSC-to-ATSC transition, they throw the antenna away and call up a cable, satellite, or IP television service provider. Or if funds are tights, they do without any service at all. Sigh.

In closing, here are a few positive-feedback shout-outs based on the scant product testing I was able to do in the absence of ATSC reception:

  • To Dish Networks, for providing their unit with a dynamically updating antenna orientation feature (which is how I now I got zero signal strength reception on all channels)
  • To AccessHD, for including the ability to add specific channels upon completion of the auto-scan algorithm, a nice touch for anyone with a rotor, and
  • To Sansonic, for its speedy channel-auto-scan routine

And wrapping up, I’ve (as usual) got a bone to pick with RadioShack (or is that "The Shack?"). The longstanding and pervasive tech ignorance of its employees never fails to amaze me. In speaking with a store manager today, I told him that I was unable to find any instructions online for the ATV 1000 (for which I was in the store to purchase a replacement 12V wall wart), and I asked him if he had any advice for how I might properly orient its oval UHF element. "Don’t worry about UHF", he said. "In fact," he continued, "both UHF and VHF are irrelevant with ATSC. The broadcasters now transmit digital data, even though they still refer to the old VHF and UHF channel numbers with their station names".

This bit of absurdity, mind you, came less than five minutes after the assistant store manager had reassured him that the ATV 1000 would still be relevant in the ATSC era. For about 30 seconds, I attempted to explain to him that VHF and UHF frequencies were very much still in use, with the ‘digital data’ modulated on an analog carrier, although a station’s new ATSC frequency might in fact be different than its old NTSC one was. In fact, I told him, most ATSC broadcasters were specifically using the UHF band he’s explicitly suggested I ‘not worry about’. He just shook his head, smiled broadly, patted me on the shoulder, commented that "it’s all binary now"…and then suggested that I might want to take an electronics class or buy a book if I wanted to learn what was really going on.

Idiot.

Posted by Brian Dipert on November 19, 2009 | Comments (8)

November 27, 2009
In response to: Thick-Air ATSC: A Dearth Of Reception Leaves Me Feeling Uneasy
Mike M commented:

I'm surprised that it didn't list the local PBS station (RF 30), along with other local stations that are co-located with the NBC and FOX stations. The PBS station listed is by no means local, though some might receive it. A rotor really isn't needed here, unless the CW is also desired, being at an off-angle from other UHF stations. A VHF antenna can be fixed to the one location and a UHF antenna to the other. Did you try running a TV Fool plot? Those should be more accurate. In any event, it doesn't change your findings. I also expect that analog signals, while poor were likely receivable. Indoors at least, it's off the digital cliff. I also agree that very few people are putting up new outdoor antennas. I still see the same old broken ones I've seen for years. I keep mine in the attic and it works great, but I have no expectation that the average viewer will want to go through the trouble of crawling in the attic or the roof. The dearth of professional installers doesn't help.


November 20, 2009
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arclight commented:

All: Let's get level here. Since the FCC is now talking about auctioning the broadcast spectrum (because ATT and VZ want another 800 MHz in the range DC-3GHz, and that in the next SIX YEARS...good luck on that), obviously they just aren't that important any longer. This fine transition is going to be for NOTHING. @Andy: I have to side with Brian here. Most folks watching over-the-air TV are doing so because they aren't interested in paying for either satcom or cable service. Many of them may be folks on fixed incomes or near the poverty line who just can't afford to spend $$$$ on cable or satellite, but who still have old TV sets that function after a fashion, or hand-me-downs. What the FCC has done is set the stage (see the previous paragraph) for them to be forced to shell out $$$$ they don't have to retain the capability they had. Free service for 3 months? Big deal...these folks couldn't afford it unless it was free service for LIFE. You may be unemployed now, but the fact that you are playing with electronic designs suggests that you have far more potential mobility than many of these folks have.


November 20, 2009
In response to: Thick-Air ATSC: A Dearth Of Reception Leaves Me Feeling Uneasy
Brad L commented:

Here in Lawrence, Kansas, I'm getting reliable reception on quite a few channels, mostly out of Kansas City (30+ miles away) with only a set-top antenna on the first floor. On the second floor, I can also pick up the Topeka stations 30 miles the other direction. I've been happy with the Zenith DTT901 converter box (manufactured by LG). Runs cool (3.9W). Easily lets you add/delete channels. Gives both bar-graph and audio beeping feedback as to signal strength when desired. (The beeping is handy if you can't see the tv while adjusting the antenna.) I also tried an fairly high gain amplified set-top antenna (Philips MANT410), but found reception with it was no better than unamplified antenna. As others have pointed out, the cost of a rooftop or attic antenna and cabling is less than two or three months of cable. Unfortunately, the proliferation of cable and satellite tv along with fewer specialty stores (and fewer folks who know what they are talking about at the Shack) have led to a shortage of accessible expertise in terrestrial antenna installation. Perhaps there lurks opportunity for those so inclined.


November 20, 2009
In response to: Thick-Air ATSC: A Dearth Of Reception Leaves Me Feeling Uneasy
Andy T commented:

Hey Brian, What part of "Free Installation", "Free Equipment" and "Free service for three months" is too expensive for you and that economically affected populace you speak of? www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=2700001&DID=1734820&CMP=BAC-PG-CJ&AID=10459149&PID=1763341 This economy is a two edged sword - I paid $600 for my setup TEN years ago as an early adopter and during the early deployment of the sat service - now it's free because they want subscriber growth. You get a free ride on my early-adopter back and two orders of magnitude more channels than you'll ever get with that coat hangar setup you're beating your head against the wall, getting all whiny, with, trying to make work. That's spelled "F-R-E-E" Remind us how many hours you've wasted futzing with this already...... Even though I'm unemployed, my time is still worth something to me, time I can even spend surfing my 400 channels of sat TV, no less; at times when I'm not looking out the window at the volcano that's 45 miles away or am playing with my electronics designs.


November 20, 2009
In response to: Thick-Air ATSC: A Dearth Of Reception Leaves Me Feeling Uneasy
Knuckledragger commented:

Actually, CC&Rs can't stop you putting up an antenna. Check with the FCC...


November 20, 2009
In response to: Thick-Air ATSC: A Dearth Of Reception Leaves Me Feeling Uneasy
kc6zut commented:

Not to mention the places with CC&Rs where one can't put up a good antenna.


November 20, 2009
In response to: Thick-Air ATSC: A Dearth Of Reception Leaves Me Feeling Uneasy
Brian Dipert commented:

Dear Andy T, I also don't understand why you stubbornly beat your head against the wall on this one. Why don't you understand that an answer of the 'throw lots of money at the problem' sort is flat-out unacceptable to a large segment of the population, especially at times like these of substantial economic downturn?


November 20, 2009
In response to: Thick-Air ATSC: A Dearth Of Reception Leaves Me Feeling Uneasy
Eastern Person commented:

I live on an island just off of NYC. About 30mi east. I lost all ATSC channels with my current antenna - I am Disillusioned with our gov't officials for forcing this cluster #!@%^$ down on us. It only supports the satellite and cable providers - At the moment HULU is saveing the day ( And this will become another paid service -once Comcast takes over NBC). What is left - Nothing - Again the gov't screws the middle class -

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