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Implementing And Comparing Video Over USB: The Thunderbolt Back Story

May 13, 2011

Hopefully by now at least some of you have gotten a chance to peruse Cypress Semiconductor’s contributed feature story in the latest issue of EDN, which went live yesterday. I’ve been working with Cypress on it since early February, and as you’ll see when you read through it, the main article compares USB v3 against HDMI and DisplayPort as video connection candidates. Personally, I think it under-estimates the effect of HDMI’s formidable installed base and momentum both in televisions and in consumer electronics devices such as digital video cameras, cellphones and PDAs…but all in all, I think Cypress did a decent balanced-coverage job with the piece, especially given that the company had an inherent vested interest in pushing one of the options (USB v3).

Within the Cypress writeup, you’ll notice a sidebar titled ‘Intel Thunderbolt I/O technology’. It’s the topic of this particular blog post, because until very late in the May 12 EDN edition’s production cycle, it didn’t even exist. Back in early February, when I approved the initial abstract submission from Cypress, I said:

Looks good, go ahead. Just make it a fair comparison; discuss the added overhead and latency of USB3 versus either DisplayPort or HDMI, along with the bandwidth limitations, as they impact the implementation (resolution limits, the need for lossy compression, etc).

And although I no longer have access to the specific email from which I can quote, I remember shortly afterward also sending a message to the article coordinator suggesting that the authors also discuss USB3 versus Intel’s Light Peak technology, which had not yet been renamed Thunderbolt and released (in copper, not yet optical, form) by Apple.

The article first draft arrived in late March…minus any mention of Light Peak/Thunderbolt. Here’s my response:

The omission of Thunderbolt as a competitive alternative to USB3 is notable, and will I think reduce the credibility of the piece in readers’ eyes. How about a short sidebar?

Cypress replied:

I’ll get the authors on it.

And I responded:

Thanks. Wish this would have been there from the get-go; I think I communicated an expectation of mention of Thunderbolt mention in several consecutive feedback emails stretching back weeks…

But as of early April, the requested sidebar still hadn’t arrived. Here’s the status update we received:

Regarding the sidebar, I am asking the authors to forward it to you directly. Internally, there have been some issues about this sidebar. The two key points are:

  1. This is a proprietary/competitive technology so Cypress is still determining whether it is appropriate for them to discuss it and
  2. This is little information available to other companies beyond press releases, meaning there’s not much that Cypress can say. Just a heads up.

And here’s how I responded:

Thunderbolt technology is already shipping in latest-generation Apple MacBook Pros and is expected to shortly spread more broadly across Apple’s product line, as well as to other computer OEMs’ products. And high-level Thunderbolt details sufficient for coverage in the article are widely known;I discuss then, for example, in the blog post I earlier forwarded you the link for.

Ultimately it’s up to Cypress whether or not they want to discuss Thunderbolt as a competitive approach to USB3, as Cypress has already done in competitively positioning USB3 versus HDMI and DisplayPort in the main article. However, I continue to feel strongly that Cypress’s credibility in this article will tangibly suffer if the authors editorially ignore the Thunderbolt ‘elephant in the room’.

Finally, as you already know, we received the versus-Thunderbolt sidebar text in mid-April, which we published as-is.

Here’s my question; was I too hard on Cypress, or not? It’s true that at the moment, Thunderbolt implementations remain Intel-only (in silicon form) and Apple-only (in systems form). However, my earlier ’spread more broadly across Apple’s product line’ prediction was correct, since last week’s new iMacs now contain Thunderbolt I/O ports. Rumors of pending Thunderbolt upgrades to Apple’s Mac Pro, MacBook Air and other systems are gaining speed and looking ever more credible all the time. And I suspect it’s also only a matter of time until we see Thunderbolt connectivity in iPads, iPhones, iPods and other Apple-branded peripherals, too.

Judging from activity at the recent NAB show, Thunderbolt’s embrace by third-party external storage suppliers, A/V adapter vendors, etc is picking up momentum, as well. All of which suggests to me that other computer systems suppliers will inevitably pick up the Thunderbolt baton, too. Why Thunderbolt hasn’t expanded beyond Apple yet may only have to do with a timed exclusivity contract that Apple signed with Intel, for example (I’m only postulating here, with no hard data).

As such, I don’t feel at all badly about how hard I pushed Cypress to not “ignore the Thunderbolt ‘elephant in the room’.” However, those of you who are more upbeat about USB v3’s competitive chances might disagree. So I welcome your comments; please provide not only your opinions but also as much supportive dialogue as you can muster. And I also wish you all a happy weekend!

Posted by Brian Dipert on May 13, 2011 | Comments (4)

May 20, 2011
In response to: Implementing And Comparing Video Over USB: The Thunderbolt Back Story
William Ketel commented:

I agree with Pu in that we don't need USB3, mostly because there are other interfaces that provide as good or better data rates. Why waste resources on something that serves only as a means for some organization to sell their products? As for expecting some vendor to include competing technology in an article, it usually does not work that way, unless the "competition" has obvious shortcomings, and the discussion only serves to show how much better some product is. After all, why should an organization commit resources to a publication that offers benefit to their competition?


May 18, 2011
In response to: Implementing And Comparing Video Over USB: The Thunderbolt Back Story
DeviceGuy commented:

You were too hard on them just given the aspect of the timing. Thunderbolt isn't an "elephant in the room." Yet. More of a mouse in the room. You might prefer to have them provide a "where are they now?" type of update 6-12 months from now. I think there's still a lot of wait-and-see on Thunderbolt so I don't think credibility suffers at this time.


May 16, 2011
In response to: Implementing And Comparing Video Over USB: The Thunderbolt Back Story
Pu commented:

I always feel that USB3 is a waste of time. It offers no throughput benefit for storage devices when compared to SATA3 or SAS. It offers no convenience over 802.11n and its future variants. It adds confusion by introducing different cables and connectors. The integration of PHY and upper layer becomes difficult with process geomretry beyond 65nm. The whole world should move on because the truly power and throughput optimized USB3 is a break from the past and breaks from the USB2 and 1. For all practical purpose, we should leave the USB2 and 1 to survive as legacy interface and provide the connectivity via Ethernet (wireless and wireline). If high bandwidth over the wire is so wanted, do it over 10Gb-Ethernet or Thunderbolt. I supposed the the architects at IAL and other companies like TI and Cypress have their vested interest to keep their jobs as well as job performance year over year!


May 16, 2011
In response to: Implementing And Comparing Video Over USB: The Thunderbolt Back Story
Peter G. commented:

Whenever you let a vendor write about its own products, you can't expect objectivity.
For example, Cypress overstates USB's ability to support uncompressed video (there isn't enough bandwidth to carry 1080p60 video and audio; Cypress misleads when it refers to "10 bit per pixel data", since that figure applies only to webcams, not the Blu-ray configuration shown in the figure).
Similarly, Cypress ignores the issues related to host overhead for these high-bandwidth applications (I note the word "host" doesn't even appear in the article), cable length (HDMI allows cables about 5X as long as USB 3.0), and likely understates the installed base of DisplayPort products (NewEgg alone offers 140 different graphics cards with DisplayPort).
You can ask these outside contributors to address certain points, but as you know, you can't make them do it fairly.

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