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Where does everyone come from?

August 14, 2009

Where does all the brainpower that drives Silicon Valley come from? The answer, by and large, is not from round here.

A good analogy I saw recently was with Hollywood. Where do all those pretty young actresses come from? By and large, not from Los Angeles. If you are pretty enough with some acting talent living in a small town in the mid-West, Hollywood is potentially your route to advancement. The odds aren’t that great, of course, since pretty women aren’t a vanishingly small percentage, and Hollywood doesn’t want all its actresses to look like supermodels anyway.

Silicon Valley draws in intellectual firepower in the same way. In fact in an even bigger way since we don’t care what race you are and whether your English is perfect. We draw in many of the smartest people from all over the world, in many cases have them do Masters degrees or PhDs here, and then employ them, to the extent that our grandstanding politicians will allow (which is not the topic for today).

I remember studying a 240 person engineering group I was responsible for and I estimated that over half of them were born outside of the US: a lot of Indians, of course, Vietnamese and Chinese. But also French, English, South American, Egyptian. Pretty much everywhere. Of the people who were brought up in the US, a big percentage seemed to be from the mid-West just as in the Hollywood example above. That was a surprise.

This isn’t meant to be a criticism of California’s K-12 education system, although there is certainly plenty of criticism to go round, especially for the bureaucrats and the venal teacher’s unions. But if you are brought up around here (or in New York, Boston and so on), you have lots of options and working really hard in high-school so that you can go to college and work on a really hard engineering degree might not be that attractive. But if you are in a small town in the middle of an agricultural state, or a large town in India, with little in common with your peers due to your geekiness, then this seems like the a good way to escape. It’s probably not that deliberate a plan, teenagers are notorious for acting in the moment, but, as Sam Lewis and Joe Young put it: “How you going to keep them down on the farm after they’ve seen Paree?” Well, Mountain View isn’t quite Paris but it’s not Nowhereville either, and the weather is a lot nicer.

Politicians all over the world look at Silicon Valley and say “we want one too.” But Silicon Valley is really self-sustaining, sucking in intellectual talent from wherever it is found. Those politicians want a film industry too.

But Silicon Valley and Hollywood both got started in another era through a serious of chance events like Shockley preferring California to New Jersey, and the early film industry wanting to get as far away from Edison and his patent lawyers . Getting a Silicon xxx or a film industry going in your state requires more than just a few adjustments to the state tax code. The best talent, even from your state, is going to California (so long as California’s appaling political leaders don’t sell the entire state to the public sector unions).

Silicon Valley, the Hollywood of the North.

Posted by Paul McLellan on August 14, 2009 | Comments (24)

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February 26, 2010
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November 28, 2009
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patriot commented:

all india indian's and their race are hated by everybody, from australia to southeast asia, from mid east to europe to america! mainly because they are leeches, they suck out the blood from every economy. they are proud to say that they contribute to an economy, but you cannot contribute by stealing somebody's job. they should be ashamed of themselves, because if they are really contributor's then how come their country is still a mess and a 3rd world country?!


October 21, 2009
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Kartik shukla commented:

Mr. Timothy, i respect your opinion, but my opinion says otherwise...i wanted to highlight that any visa/greencard holder should be humble enough to admit to themselves that they owe something to the people of america.... Mr. Mawla points was, i quote: "..You do not owe anything to anyone!!!! ..." which i found to be totally wrong.... let's break it down in simple situation....assuming Mr. Mawla approach you and ask you to let him stay in your house for a full month, and then assuming you do allow him to stay with you and use your things and everything...now lets put a bit of twist on it...halfway thru the month, he goes around your neighborhood and starts telling stories that he doesn't owe you anything....what would you feel?!....does your opinion still tells you that he doesn't owe you anything at all?!...think about it.... To Mr. Mawla, i respect your opinion sir, but that is what's good with america, we can agree to have disagreement!but within the bounds of the law of course..


September 30, 2009
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Timothy commented:

Mr Shukla, Are you suggesting that Mr Mawla become a slave to the person who granted him a greencard? Ha ha... You forgot to include Columbus, the Vikings, natives et al. to the list of "we're grateful to". I don't think Mr Mawla said that he is not thankful to them. Or, did you mean that Indians, in particular, should be "more" thankful to our founders than say Chinese or Irish or British? LOL. Oh, by the way, does our consititution stipulate that we "owe" something to its drafter? I'm glad the bay area doesn't have many folks like yourself otherwise Silicon Valley wouldn't have existed! LOL


September 8, 2009
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Kartik shukla commented:

Mr. Bhagwandas Mawla, when you said "..You do not owe anything to anyone!!!! ..", in my opinion you are TOTALLY WRONG!....you owe your existence here in America from the PERSON who approved your VISA/GREENCARD...you owe it to the american people who sacrificed their lives to established a free america!... you owe it to the leaders who promulgated the constitution of united states of america!...you owe it to the leaders in congress, senate, local government and federal government who ALLOWED YOU to come and stay in america....you owe EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY! NO MAN IS AN ISLAND!... but if you still insist that you owe nobody then I think you better go back to INDIA!... because whatever you or I do, WE ARE THE FOREIGNER IN THIS FOREIGN LAND!... my sound advise is TIP Your Head a little bit low and point your nose towards the earth ground and thank everyone around you who allowed you to have existence in america.... else better go back to india and become slave to poverty...


August 24, 2009
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Bhagwandas Mawla commented:

In all fairness the population of India is HUGE and so you see many folks. But they are only a small percentage of the population and may equal to all other national percentage of population in Silicon Valley e.g China,Pakisan or Vietnam. It is unfair to tell these folks to go back home and clean their slums. They came like anyone else for a better life and they earned it here and in India by working hard. They do not owe anything to anybody or if at all it is their parents and family setup that allowed them to study. So the message should be help at home when you can! You do not owe anything to anyone!!!!


August 19, 2009
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Kendall commented:

Silicon Valley was a huge adjustment from the rural life in Missouri, and frankly I didn't understand why people were in love with this place. But where else was an EE going to get a job in that environment? After twelve years I haven't left yet.


August 18, 2009
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Valley Boy commented:

I have been one of the "minority" native Californians in my silicon valley companies over the past 27 years. Most of my childhood friends from the central valley only know their own kind and have not been too comfortable with anything "foreign" - food, people, ideas - a lot which showed up first in the bay area. But none of them became EEs and few graduated from college. I did not learn how to really work until my third job in 3 years.


August 17, 2009
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Modoc Jim commented:

I grew up in California, but in a very rural area. You bet I wasn't going to stay. A university education was the best wy out, and I'v now been working in the tech industry for 25 years.


August 16, 2009
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Kartik shukla commented:

you're right best are Indians.. go home to india and clean your slums, your people need you and they need your talent to fix your own problem...


August 16, 2009
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Don Mennie commented:

There are many good things associated with Silicon Valley, but the lifestyle and the politics are not ideal for everyone (even some techies). The author of "Where does everyone come from?" seems especially turned off by unions. Yes, public employee unions (teachers, police, firefighters, and others) are often the enemy of taxpayers everywhere. These folks have the next best thing to a lifetime job, so why are they permitted to do things like strike? But in the private sector, unions have often proved necessary. Don't think so? Child labor laws, safe working environments, overtime pay, and the 40-hour week were never management ideas. Today we have temporarily shifted the worst labor practices to third-world countries. Could this have anything to do with Silicon Valley's attraction to imported brain power? Techies low on the food chain today are probably experiencing all the current hardships that go with our stressed-out economy (forclosures, massive credit-card debt, declining home values, loss of employment, inadequate health insurance). Does Silicon Valley's intellectual firepower have any answers to these problems? Or is it simply enough to continually reload the marketplace with soon-to-be-obsolete PCs, cell phones, and iPods?


August 16, 2009
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Smart Sand commented:

at 8/15/2009 1:06:56 PM, Hm hmm said: and the party animal is your manager, director or CEO I don't think so - not at the really successful companies. I spent 14 years working for a succession of successful startups in the valley in 80's and 90's, and without exception the CEOs and upper management were the guys who were nerds in school, and were using their brains to make the breakthroughs at companies everybody else wished they could get jobs at....and we all got lots of stock for our hard work and long hours - I retired at 38, and I never had a position higher than hardware design engineer.


August 15, 2009
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John commented:

What i would like to know is how many people keep the world running every day. So many people cannot even understand how to connect a TV. People use things with no understand at all as to how things work. Years ago we had kids into cars and electronics that is now gone replaced with just users of things.


August 15, 2009
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EDAGuy commented:

@Hm mmmm: all you said, but don't forget the ageism as well. It's far easier to be an employable MBA or lawyer at 45 than an employable software developer, even if you do keep up with new technologies. Whose to say that the college student who gets an MBA rather than MSCS is making a bad choice? From a whole-career perspective, it may be the smart choice.


August 15, 2009
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Hm hmm commented:

and the party animal is your manager, director or CEO cut me a break, most late teenagers have things figured out and being a wage slave at an engineering career just fails to attract: atrocious hours, very hard education, so so pay, limited control over your destiny unless you continually job hop. Who wants this, really? And for all of this crowing over the "Silicon Valley" effect, the recent influx/outflux statistics show California and Silicon Valley losing population at an alarming rate.


August 15, 2009
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Meredith Poor commented:

People continue to pillory the education system when the education system isn't the source of the problem. I spent a year of junior high in Glendora, CA and everyone did their job, except maybe for the kids. Immediately after class a clique of them would go to the empty lot across the street and smoke pot. I grew up in a 'small town environment', and I was a pariah in my school because I was interested in spaceships and robots and airplanes and model trains in the 1960s. I didn't do particularly well in school but I would go home and read history and science books and eventually got my pilots license at age seventeen. I simply lived in another world, as a few kids in every school do. People living in the mid-west are simply handed a shovel, or a lawn mower, or a belt-sander, or some other labor intensive tool somewhere in their teenage years and told to buckle down to some job at hand. This is more than likely true in India as well. One learns two things from this: discipline, and work smart, not hard. I've spent my entire life figuring out how to get out of work. All I've succeeded in doing is replacing landscaping with programming. A lot of people don't really confront a situation where they have to work for a living until they've graduated from college and already gone through a few jobs. In short, their parents raised party animals, and this continued through college, and the first job or two was based on college credentials, but at some point it became clear that the college kid was missing all his or her performance metrics. Somewhere around age 25, the kid living a sheltered life ends up behind a rental car counter, having to actually do some work. The kids they were ostracizing for being 'out of it' are designing circuits for a chip company.


August 14, 2009
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Kartik shukla commented:

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August 14, 2009
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CH Lim commented:

The comments are not only interesting, but I think it is true for now. However, I think this trend will not continue forever if the expectations of Wall Street continue to prevail amoung the board and management of companies. I am a Singaporean who had worked for Silicon Valley MNC's in Singapore for almost 25 years, and sent my son to Stanford. He is now working in investment banking in San Francisco, even though he had a EE degree.


August 14, 2009
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California Dreamin' commented:

Much has been writen about why Silicon Valley works better than the other "Silicon Valleys" around the world...Easy access to VC money, Co-location with several top universities and the associated talent, significant population of patent attournies and a patent office, etc. The nice weather helps but the tolerant, multicultural, progressive environment is key to innovation as well. I would argue that all of these factors are necessary for success. The exclusion of any one would greatly diminish the whole.


August 14, 2009
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Joe Canadian commented:

Interesting blog. BTW - "Hollywood North" actually refers to the vibrant film industries in Vancouver and Toronto if you wikipedia it. Not that I am making a big deal of it, but I get your point. I am a Canadian who is working in Silicon Valley for the very reasons you mention - opportunities to do cool things. Unfortunately there is a definite lack of those same things in Canada unless you want to live in Ottawa. There are many Canadians who are working here that I have met and they all say the same thing - and weather is very good.

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