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We're driving in a fog

February 26, 2009

I went along to what used to be John Cooley’s EDA bigwigs panel and is now Peggy Aycinena’s “Is EDA dead or alive?” I had to keep asking myself am I dead or alive for the first part of the panel as each panelist insisted that their company was not suffering at all in the current downturn, there were no layoffs, and every EDA engineer gets a pony for their daughter. I may have misheard that last bit.

Peggy set the tone in her opening by stating that EDA tools are too cheap. I’ve pointed out before that there isn’t enough money flowing into EDA overall, and that it is pathetic that EDA only gets $4B out of the multi-trillion dollar electronics market. But that is different from claiming that everyone is getting tools too cheap.

Of course EDA, in the sense of software, has to continue to exist, as Ajoy Bose of Attrenta pointed out. But it is a fallacy to assume that this means that the EDA industry will continue to exist as currently structured.

Ravi Subranamian of Berkeley Design Automation described his customers as “driving in a fog” and they don’t know how long the fog will last so they are driving very carefully, in particular focusing on cost.

Diana Raggett of Javelin had just been to Taiwan. Customers are all on 4 day work-weeks going down to 3. In Hsinchu science park, three-quarters of the companies are on 1 day work-weeks. Of the 300 fabless companies in Taiwan and 500 or so in mainland China, less than half are expected to survive.

Gary Meyers of Synopsys has the evidence of quarterly results beating expectations. Echoing something I’ve heard Aart say, he related how high level management at customers is rethinking their future and willing to engage in different kinds of relationships. He continued to point out that Princeton has more people in their financial engineering program than electronic engineering program. That problem is obviously self-correcting, but I doubt that electrical engineering is necessarily going to be the beneficiary.

Scott Sandler of Springsoft amitted that customers are struggling and revenues are lower than expected. We were all shocked, shocked to hear it.

Tom Sandoval of Calypto fell on his sword too, admitting that their verification business was constrained but the power-redution business was also benefitting from people wanting low power chips right now.

Peggy pointed out that semiconductor companies are doing more internal development, and that if she was running a semiconductor company she’d want to do all internal development to keep control and to have algorithms optimized for her process. Since her process is almost certainly TSMC (unless she gets Paul Otellini’s job or the CEO of Samsung) then that is the same process as everyone else. There is not much integrated about an IDM these days. The panelists didn’t feel this was any sort of threat or was likely to make any change in the industry structure.

Peggy’s latest column was about using EDA algorithms in biochemistry, nanotechnology and other areas. But she couldn’t get anyone on the panel to really look at this as being a way to enlarge Joe Costello’s bowl of dogfood.

Suddenly the focus shifted to whether EDA was getting any of that bailout money. Did EDAC even communicate with Washington? I’ll be the first to admit that most of the money in the stimulus bill is going to be wasted, but when EDA is lining up behind GM and Chrysler I think we are looking in the wrong place.

Gabe Moretti (in a question that wasn’t a question from the audience) pointed out that EDA really is small at $4B, that electronics is only one part of design and maybe someone should look at the big picture. But it was too near the end and so nobody took the bait, we all went downstairs for a glass of free wine instead.

I think Peggy’s question about internal development, and Gabe’s about tackling the bigger picture are really key questions. Meanwhile the convention of buggy whip and related operators are focused on better and better leather and fighting for market share among their aristocratic customers.

Posted by Paul McLellan on February 26, 2009 | Comments (3)

February 27, 2009
In response to: We're driving in a fog
info@AllAboutEDA.com commented:

Frankly, this gazing at navel lint has been going on since before there was an EDA industry (yes, I''m that old), and all the weeping and moaning and gnashing of teeth won''t change anything. It''s time, I believe, for a discontinuity and reshaping of the industry as a whole. For too long EDA has been developing poorly-defined products for which there''s no market (anyone remember Synopsys'' Protocol Compiler, Behavioral Compiler, or Design Source?) And at the same time, many long-serving products, despite rewrites and significant enhancements in utility and functionality, extract fewer and fewer of the customer''s dollars, despite solving more, larger problems. So what''s the discontinuity? I''l be buggered if I know - which, thankfully, I don''t, so that saves an embarrassing spectacle. But when the two big guys view startups as outsourced outsourced R&D, and the only out for a new enterprise is acquisition at a fairly low multiple, it''s going to have to be a big one.


February 27, 2009
In response to: We're driving in a fog
Meredith Poor commented:

I''''m in the software business, but not in the EDA business. This discussion could have been happening (with different buzzwords) at Oracle, SAP, or AutoDesk. In short, software gets no respect. ~~~ Studying a process (whether a business process or a design methodology) gives the analylst the equivalent of a "Ph.D. in ''''name your topic''''". If I study the operations process of manufacturing frozen food I have probably gained knowledge that never existed before, either about this business, and possibly about any business. What I''''m learning is how various atomic elements integrate, whether these are packing machines, deposition machines, molecular assemblers, or nanomaterial synthesizers. If I write a specification, it''''s probably hunderds of pages long with flow charts, yield curves, etc. If I write code, I am seeking, and may have found, the path of minimum energy from inputs to desired output. ~~~ So now I have this understanding, which I achived in some podunk factory working for people that are lucky to have Masters degrees. Can I publish it? If so, where? Who would read it? ~~~ Now, I have this product, which I developed to solve the production problem, and I take it to an executive who builds a company around selling it. He, or she, goes out to customers, and talks to other executives, who don''''t necessarily understand the processes in their own companies, so he doesn''''t have this knowledge, and they don''''t either, which they need to understand the value of the product. If they understood the value of the product it would be because they had already solved the problem, or at least drilled into it enough to grasp the issues. So the people meeting face to face are lost, and the developer at the vendor is likely to be viewed as a threat to people who would actually have to implement the changes. Therefore, the custom execs state that they''''re ''''keeping development in house'''' which in some cases really means ''''we''''re not going to invest effort in this''''. ~~~ You can do that until your existence is threatened. At that point the executives decide they''''re going to ''''do something''''. They will be lucky to stay in business long enough to implement what will turn out to be a major capital acquisition.


February 26, 2009
In response to: We're driving in a fog
Lauro Rizzatti commented:

Paul, I was the one who asked Bob about any initiative by EDAC to get access to the bailout money (directly or indirectly). I could easily see a copule of avenues (copied from the French Government): 1. Reimburse a portion of annual R&D expenses (30%/year in France). 2. Get "zero-interest" three-year loans. EDA will "immensely" benefits from both !

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