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Silicon Valley 'Spies Like Us': Trial begins for 2 engineers accused of economic espionage involving China

October 23, 2009

Here’s one that should be taught in law schools as more and more cases come to courts based on IP, technologies, and new legal provisions that most juries made up of so-called peers would not fully understand.

A trial began this week involving two engineers that have been accused of conspiracy to commit economic espionage and to steal trade secrets. Indicted by the US Department of Justice (DoJ) in September 2007 after being arrested in June 2006, US citizen Lan Lee, aka Lan Li, of Palo Alto, and Chinese national Yuefei Ge of San Jose, allegedly conspired to steal trade secrets from their former employer, NetLogic Microsystems, and from TSMC, at which they were not employed.

According to the indictment, the defendants allegedly created a company, SICO Microsystems, "for the purpose of developing and marketing products derived from and using the stolen trade secrets," which were related to computer chip design and development. The defendants also allegedly sought to obtain venture capital funding for their company from the government of China, in particular the 863 Program and the General Armaments Department (GAD). The 863 program is a funding plan created and operated by the government of China. It was designed by leading Chinese scientists to develop and encourage the creation of technology in China, with an emphasis on military applications. Meanwhile, GAD of the People’s Liberation Army was responsible for the army, navy, and air force in China and oversaw the development of weapons systems used by the country. GAD had a regular role in, and was a major user of, the 863 program, according to the DoJ. 

The case is being heard in US District Court for the Northern District of California and actually dates back some seven years when in 2002 the CEO of NetLogic received an e-mail from Ge’s wife tipping him off to the alleged theft. She also made an anonymous call to the FBI, according to reports.

The defense is making part of its argument based on Ge’s wife’s anger toward her workaholic husband. Apparently, according to defense lawyers, she was feeling neglected and was ticked off that he was not spending enough time with her and the family and made up the allegations. Defense also argues that documents found on Lee’s and Ge’s computers that much of the prosecutors’ case is founded on are useless in trying to build chips and that the defendants could have taken NetLogic out at the knees with other schematics that they had access to, if that was their intention.

According to reports, most of the documents found on Lee’s and Ge’s computers had to do with business agreements between SICO and China-based venture capital firms regarding the 863 program.

Prosecutors are relying on a somewhat rarely used provision of the Economic Espionage Act (EEA) of 1996, which deals with the theft of trade secrets for the benefit of a foreign nation. The EEA was passed to protect US trade secrets and IP from foreign government-sponsored theft, however, is difficult to prove in court. Indeed, only a handful of have been indicted under EEA, with less actually found guilty.

Because of the EEA provisions under which the case is being argued, prosecutors will have to prove that Lee’s and Ge’s actions were without doubt intended to benefit China’s government, not just their own businesses, and that China’s government was involved in the alleged trade secret theft to win the case. While implying that the allegedly stolen trade secrets would benefit China, the indictment does not directly make any allegations against China. Lee and Ge are both pleading not guilty.

It’s a highly complicated case from both the legal argument and IP/entrepreneurial sides that will surely stump even the most law-savvy and technically astute member of the jury. That being so, the case could be seen as one that perhaps evidences that US laws don’t match or keep up with technology, so-called trade secrets or IP, and tech business practices. If these two engineers were indeed acting as spies for China and indisputably offering true trade secrets/IP that would not only hurt proprietary company information but also damage US security or ability to innovate, then off to jail they should go. There’s no question about that. But if these engineers do turn out to be entrepreneurs who did not steal trade secrets/IP and were instead truly trying to build an honest start-up, with investment only from 863 no further government interference, then they have not gone wrong.

Without seeing all of the court documents and actually being in the court room as this trial plays out, one can’t say for sure what the situation is. As an editor based in NY, I won’t be attending the trail, although I have made calls for the documents. Espionage is not a matter to take lightly, but even without being in the courtroom or having the full set of documents in hand one can see that the case has more than irregularities to it.

What do you think? Is this a case of espionage or a misinterpretation of tech industry business practices? What defines a trade secret? Will more cases like this come down the pike regarding IP rights? Share your thoughts below.

Posted by Suzanne Deffree on October 23, 2009 | Comments (24)

January 11, 2010
In response to: Silicon Valley 'Spies Like Us': Trial begins for 2 engineers accused of economic espionage involving China
mykmlr commented:

One observation only. If they wanted to make money, spy for China, and then NOT go to prison, why did they skip the one proven successful tactic? Be a republican fund raiser like Chinese Military Spy and San Diego Go-To-Slush-Fund girl Katrina Lueng, whom Bush let off with a FINE and no deportation, much less prison?


December 31, 2009
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henrylow commented:

. Its all about chasing shadows. By that I mean latching on to this or that latest, most innovative idea that some self styled money making guru has put out in the hope it?ll go viral and make them a lot of money off the backs of all the headless chickens who will follow them blindly down a blind alley. Its a shame but a truism nonetheless that people will follow where someone they see as an expert leads. Even if they lead them to certain disaster, which is what most of the gurus tend to do to their flocks. The trick is to recognize a shadow when you see it!


December 18, 2009
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anEngineer commented:

to "Someone who like to think": rather than insulting other posters as being 'stupid', you should have spent your time learning English grammar. It's "Someone who like*s* to think".


December 1, 2009
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Someone who like to think commented:

I am somewhat upset by the comments and thoughts that this case equates to "spying for China government". Such comments simply show how stupid and shallow-minded of those people making the comments. These people should have spent the time to study the case and read the reports before pointing fingers and making accusation.


November 23, 2009
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Semiconductor Sam commented:

This story is not surprising to me. As an example of similar stories: one of my acquaintances in Beijing told me once, "Anyone who pays anything for software is stupid!" It is a way of life in China. Once you understand it, you don't get mad, you simply take protective decisions.


November 17, 2009
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alhenry commented:

Is this a trade war breaking out? Obviously there is far more to this case than has been made public.


November 2, 2009
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JustAnotherEngineer commented:

Yawn. Boring. If you do not understand that the Chinese government is in the BUSINESS of stealing US IP as an everyday, business-as-usual activity, then you have not being paying attention for the last few decades. We (the US) deserve what we get. I agree with yonnie - we are worrying about the barn door and the horse ain't been seen for about 2 decades. We are a third world country now--letting everybody walk all over our IP rights for years will do that to you. We don't have anything to 'offer' the world, they have already stolen everything of value. and our politicians, unwilling to seek redress for fear of spoiling 'relations' have set precedence (all the way back to Reagan refusing to deal with japan about blatant theft). We lost our manufacturing prowess a while ago, and we REALLY should have stood up to the abuse that has since been taken about stealing US technological and military secrets. It is now too late to worry about these things. Just make sure that your children speak Mandarin or have this English phrase down pat: "You want fries with that?"


October 29, 2009
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JoeC commented:

angry wife? ... Watch out your home PCs, your 'angry' kids could send you to jail next time once someone promise to buy them a pair of designer jean or shoe :-)


October 29, 2009
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666 commented:

Stealing, making fake products and being a hooligan are the three characteristics of these people. So why the hell do we want to trade with them? They will take our food, our wealth and humiliate us. So why the hell do we want to befriend them? If Congress does not want to do anything about it, we common Americans can. We will not buy anything from them for safety reason. We will not talk to them for an unfriendly nature. And we will ignore them all together.


October 29, 2009
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Just the Tip of the Iceberg commented:

For every one of these folks caught, there are 99 others getting away with it. There is little doubt in my mind that the state is behind this as well. Until someone else is stealing their lunch the Chinese government feigns concern about the matter. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.


October 26, 2009
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yonnie commented:

The script reads more like a tv soap. You sure this isn't a pre-view ad? Come on, 5 years between being told on and arrest? And now, 7 years later it's just going to trial? Bored prosecutors, angry wife, behind the scenes hanky-panky. The US was/is never serious about Chinese espionage, and now that the Chinese own the US, all manufacturing has moved to China, what's left to care about? By any definition or comparison of standards, the US is now a third-world country and unless we start doing things to turn that around we'll be behind other third-world countries.


October 26, 2009
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U.S. Citizen commented:

There should be no companies operating in the U.S. that are controlled by the communist Chinese government. Why not just station a few batallions of their army and air force here? That people can't distinguish between free enterprise and a hostile communist foreign government controlled facility is hard to fathom. Even the expected motive of love of money doesn't seem to explain the lack of concern that the murderous life destroying communists are setting up shop in the U.S.


October 26, 2009
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Nationalist commented:

There should be no companies operating in the U.S. that are controlled by the communist Chinese government. Why not just station a few batallions of their army and air force here? That people can't distinguish between free enterprise and a hostile communist foreign government controlled facility is hard to fathom. Even the expected motive of love of money doesn't seem to explain the lack of concern that the murderous life destroying communists are setting up shop in the U.S.


October 25, 2009
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USA Nationalist commented:

Stolen intelelctual property, industrial know how and research by Chinese and other countries hurts every US Citizen. Our economic base is weakened. Sales and profits drop, government collects less taxes, then looks for otehr ways to collect money form US Citizens. This is serious stuff, it affects all US Citizens. We have to protect our economic assets or we will become poor and slaves to teh rest of the world. This is just another sign, event that is leading su nto that end.


October 24, 2009
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USA Nationalist commented:

US Citizens have to wake up. The rest of the world criticizes the USA for all our technologies that create a higher standard of living for our citizens. Other countries are stealing our economic treasures or our government and business leaders are just negotiating it away. China does not play by the same commercial rules as US Citizens. If guilty, these individuals need to be thrown in jail and if the Chinese government is involved they should pay reparations. If our current government won't protect OUR interests, then we need to elect representatives that will. What has China developed on their own? They are taking USA generated know how.


October 23, 2009
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mancunion commented:

I think this is a clear case of espionage, which by chance got caught and came to limelight. Stealing trade secrets is a serious matter, and those who have been selling their company secrets to competitors in exchange for a new job with more $$$$ might learn a lesson from this story. I am sure there will be more cases like this coming out with the opening of can of worms. Thanks.


October 23, 2009
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DVS commented:

This can be an excellent trendsetter case in industrial espionage. If successful, it will set a good example to those who steal the company trade secrets while defecting to competition and thinking they can get away. Interestingly, the neglected wife exposed these activities with anger, as defense claims......don't they know in China tha hell hath no fury as the woman scorned?


October 23, 2009
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Xi Hung Zho commented:

Looks like the usual incompetent Asian avarice to me. Netlogic has contributed to this by failing to hire American Egineers and their idiot incompetent CEO should also be jailed for 20 years+.


October 23, 2009
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Andy T commented:

Label it as an act against the State and send them to Gitmo immediately, though that'll make the little woman even more ticked about hubby not being around....


October 23, 2009
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engineerjoe commented:

During a job interview in the US, one high-level Chinese (PRC) executive directly asked me if I had product sample, spec and process details from my previous employer. I was shocked and said "no". I think the Chinese companies think they don't have to play by American rules of law. So beware whom you talk to.


October 23, 2009
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JoeM commented:

I can understand and believe that an angry Ge's wife wanted to harm his husband as much as she could. She seems very successful. However, I do not believe that two sane engineers were so naive that they kept "stolen trade secrets" with intention to transfer them to China on their home hard drives. Possibly they also kept printouts on their home tables. I know many engineers who have company data on their home computers. It is convenient when you are workaholic and you want to work during evenings when you come with a fresh good idea. But it has nothing to do with spying for a foreign government.


October 23, 2009
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specifics of this case? no comment .. commented:

No way anyone in the general public can make a informed comment on if these guys are guilty or not... as you indicated .. .not enough info available. However, While you focused on two of the three main issues of this case ( a- trade secret/IP definitions and b- China/espionage).. You barely touched on the third issue. Namely, the use of a jury (instead of a judge) on a highly technical trial. And I am concerned about..... - a society that is encouraged by it's media outlets to make make quick (un-informed) judgments.. (it sells) - a society that is poorly educated in technology and logical thought.. being used as the source for a jury pool. (I have reservations on the abilities of the judicial pool also) - the above mentioned limitations/issues.. creating a society further dependent on / and not understanding technology. (creating "haves" and "have nots".. ) I do believe people are often smarter than given credit for.. but this is often offset with poor technical education and poor guidance from the courts. Most things are just complicated... This trial is likely to be VERY complicated.. and "dumming down" or "simplifying" for the jury to understand ...will not work in the long run. It will just build a poor foundation for future judgments... obviously better education is called for...


October 23, 2009
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patrick dixon commented:

Fry their ass


October 23, 2009
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WT commented:

This is a weird case. The timelines do not seem to add up ....... - tipped off in 2002 by the wife? - arrested in June 2006? - indicted in Sep 2007? If the guys were actually building a startup ..... no VC will engage anyone for 4 years (2002-2006) .... ??? There are more details to this story that are not being revealed. Regardless, if they can't work during this period, they are most likely broke by now .... regardless of guilty or innocent.

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