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What about Power over Ethernet in a hazardous environment?

March 16, 2007

Bitbanger's comment on an earlier post, "Top six reasons to consider Power-over-Ethernet for your office/factory/home application," was “Poe is nice, but what about hazardous environments?" Good question, and worth digging into. Itook it to Mike McCormack, Biz Dev manager for PoE products at TI, and he had this to say about PoE and hazardous environments:

"Hazardous environments are covered by a number of safety standards because the concern is about anything that could spark or ignite a fire. This is much more stringent than the typical safety UL or CSA rules which are centered on ensuring the devices themselves will not combust. While this is overly simple, the rule of thumb is that these "intrinsically safe" devices must be limited to less than 30VDC and 4W.

The IEEE standard for Power over Ethernet (IEEE Std 802.3-2005, Clause 33) requires, among an number of other things, a minimum output voltage of 44V at the Power Sourcing Equipment (PSE) and the Powered Devices (PDs) must operate from 36 to 57VDC.At the very least these voltages would not allow a standards compliant PoE system to operate in the hazardous environments the writer enumerates."

Mike says that TI has a PSE, the TPS23841, and PD, the TPS2376-H, which can operate as low as 24VDC nominally. So these parts can be used, with appropriate design practices, to create an "intrinsically safe" PoE system.TI's aim is to extend the benefits of PoE to the hazardous environment that Bitbanger asks about, as well as opening PoE to other severely safety conscious applications in medical or industrial markets. Keep in mind that these types of systems would not be compliant with the standard; however, it would provide the benefits of PoE to these applications.

Thanks, Mike!

Posted by Margery Conner on March 16, 2007 | Comments (3)

April 4, 2007
In response to: What about Power over Ethernet in a hazardous environment?
Sujit Liddle commented:

All these calculations become meaningless if the energy is stored locally, eg. a typical 1000 microfarad capacitor across the power supply bus which will result in a spark if shorted, even at 24V. It is critical in explosive gas environments that the current available to a fault condition is limited. Parallel regulators have a great role here.


March 27, 2007
In response to: What about Power over Ethernet in a hazardous environment?
Rod Bristol commented:

PoE in hazardous locations is a more severe challenge than it looks! Intrinsic safety limits the energy available to any fault to 40 microjoules, or a bit more in some, restricted applications. In addition, the maximum surface temperature under any fault must be under 200 degrees C, or so, depending on the specific environment. Even with PoE limited to 24 V or 12 V, the system likely would have to be enclosed in an explosion-proof housing.


March 16, 2007
In response to: What about Power over Ethernet in a hazardous environment?
Daniel Feldman commented:

24V volts PoE is not IEEE802.3af-2003 standard compliant and not intrinsically safer than 44V to 57V PoE. There are two standards that mention safety for low voltages remote DC power feeding, UL 60950 and Telcordia GR-1089-CORE. While the UL standard mentions 60V as a safe voltage for feeding, the Telcordia standard mentions 30V. PoE complies with both, since while all PoE voltages are below 60V, and PoE detection voltages (for which the Telcordia tests apply) are below 15V. Microsemi strongly suggests the use of IEEE802.3af-2003 compliant devices. Please also note that by working at lower voltages, the current on th wires increases greatly, which can actually causes the wires to heat and can pose... a safety hazard!

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