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Polymer fuses: Why nothing much happens when you drop a cell phone in the toilet

March 1, 2007

Here's some deep background on the picture I took for the PowerSource blog post Baby it's cold outside: Is your cell phone battery pack smart enough to know it?. I was somewhat concerned that when I placed the cell phone into the bowl of water thatsomething unpleasant might happen. I've read a lot lately about rogue lithium ion battery packs, and while water's not an ideal conductor, it is a conductor nonetheless and conceivably it could short out the phone's battery pack. My lovely assistant (ie, husband Doug, also an engineer) scoffed, as lovely assistants are wont to do. Nevertheless, I dropped the cell phone in the water while standing outside rather than inside.

Immediately the phone went "*tick". — a small, odd sound that caused both me and my lovely assistant to instantaneously levitate backwards about three feet. And that was it – nothing else. [sound of scoffing increases here.] So I filed it away for further pondering: The lithium ion battery pack did virtually nothing when dumped in water with a full charge. And of course I then remembered all the stories I've heard of cell phones inadvertently dropped into public toilets with no catastrophes reported, not even quiet "*ticks". (Other than the fact that the beloved cell phone was, well, in a public toilet, and quite likely in a liquid that had a much better conductivity that fresh water.)

Ok, now fast forward to a conversation I had yesterday at APEC with Usha Patel, sales director for Raychem, the circuit protection company. It seems that every cell phone out there has a fuse on the battery pack to protect against conditions such as inadvertent immersion in a conductive liquid, or simply getting a metal splinter across the leads. Battery pack fuses are generally polymer positive temperature coefficient (PPTC) devices that come in various shapes and sizes. One configuration is a flat strap that can be spot welded across the cells in a pack. If such a pack is immersed in water, and the water's resistance is low enough to produce a short, the PPTC should protect it, but this assumes that the cell itself doesn't admit any water. If the water gets in and provides a low-resistance path, all bets are off: The water will provide a shorting path to the internal circuitry and anything can happen.

Another configuration is a disc-shaped PPTC fuse crimped into the header of the cells themselves, and may provide more protection if the cell construction makes it so the fuse is protected from the external environment, such as nasty low-resistance water leaking in.

The more closely you look at lithium ion cells and battery packs, the clearer it becomes that all cells and packs are not created equal.

(btw, there's been more development work being done on polymer fuses:Although PPTCs have been used for years in relatively low-voltage DC applications, such as battery packs, until now they haven't been suited for line voltages. Patel showed me a polymer switch for AC line voltages – the PolySwitch LVR series – for 120VAC and 240 VAC for up to 2A at 20 degC. This is a big improvement over the present bimetal switches, which can have a limited life compared to polymer, as well as larger dimensions. The PolySwitch prices start as low as $.25 each.)

Posted by Margery Conner on March 1, 2007 | Comments (5)

September 24, 2008
In response to: Polymer fuses: Why nothing much happens when you drop a cell phone in the toilet
P Vishal commented:

do you have all basic information about pptc device if yes then can you post it on my email_id-vish.07patil@gmail.com thank you


March 13, 2007
In response to: Polymer fuses: Why nothing much happens when you drop a cell phone in the toilet
Gordon Gray commented:

"it sounds like the other person on the line is down in the toilette" I took many thousands of support calls for modems back in the day. I could always immediately tell when the customer was smart and called in on their cell phone so we could test the solution. EXCEPT when they called in on a Sprint PCS phone. It sounded as good as a land line.


March 8, 2007
In response to: Polymer fuses: Why nothing much happens when you drop a cell phone in the toilet
Paul Rako commented:

DW brings up a great point. When I was in the auto business raychem was trying to get polyfuses in cars. Problem was that are a temperature sensor as well as a fuse. When it was hot they went high resistance too soon, when it was cold they would not trip. On top of all that you have to remove the load before they will reset. OK, new test, lets dump a phone into salty ice-water. I volunteer my phone if you explain to Maury that I can no longer get his call.


March 6, 2007
In response to: Polymer fuses: Why nothing much happens when you drop a cell phone in the toilet
DW_engineer commented:

If it is a Postive Temperature Coefficient fuse - can it even heat up if surrounded by liquid to do anything?


March 2, 2007
In response to: Polymer fuses: Why nothing much happens when you drop a cell phone in the toilet
Bill Roberts commented:

All very interesting. Now, can you explain why half the time it sounds like the other person on the line is down in the toilette when we talk? Let's forget all this so-called innovation around the cell phone and go back to basics. Connections are lousy or non existent. When I get a connection I can half the time barely hear the person, or get echo feedback. It's crap and it's time consumers start to fight back and demand cell service that works.

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