Why are we celebrating 4 percent job growth?

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These comments are right on. This is a self-fulfilling prophesy - we have a business environment that encourages companies to shed engineers when they get to a certain experience/salary level, so young people are attracted to other careers, then we end up either importing H-1B workers (at lower wages of course) or offshoring the work. As a result we are losing our leadership position in electronics that we once had. I don''t however know what is the solution to this, short of incentives to encourage more engineering grads, and laws to protect older workers - I do think that opening the floodgates to more H-1B visas is not a good thing.

I don't get it. Engineers make the same money as a Subway sandwich owner, who probably has a AA from a local community college if at all. Engineers consistently undersell themselves by playing "Highlander" with one another. People who control and pay Engineers are business men who treat Engineers as a "resource" no different than a 2.4 GHz scope. I think Engineers should minor in business to understand how the business man "thinks". The smartest Engineer I knew was one who after his first job, productized his experience and sold to potential employers repeatedly.

Oh yes, kids should work their tails off to get an EE degree, go to work for a heartless corporation for a meager salary, then face layoffs after 10 to 15 years when they have earned 1 too many raises. HP is jettisoning as many 40+ y/o engineers as it can right now through early retirement incentives so it can replace them with new grads and Asian coolies. I steered my nephew away from engineering. He picked Landscape Architecture instead. Smart boy!

Thanks to Ron. Typo fixed.

The systems we have today in the US, the Educational System, the legislative and political systems, etc., ; were designed by some old white land barons in the 17 and 1800's. We no longer live in that time frame and instead our legislative system has degenerated into what laws can we pass that are least offensive to the most people. This is where we are and where we will remain, losing economic position to the developing world until we change our ways of doing things and change our consciousness about who we are and what it's going to take to get things done. Time for new leadersh

You answered your own questions as to why the younger generation won't go into engineering: companies won't hire older engineers even though they're well qualified. Why would any kid want to go into a field that he sees his dad/mom being thrown out of like yesterday's garbage?

my ps was that despite numerous recommendations (even from my sister), I'm still holding out, and refuse to dye my hair.

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